Boom Vang for DE38? Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running Forums

avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Boom Vang for DE38?
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
August 26, 2017 - 10:07 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

For some reason the original owner of my DE38 never had a boom vang.  I think this is pretty essential for control of the mainsail, so am looking into the various options.  What I see in the various suppliers is like a main sheet with double block on top and bottom with a cam cleat on the bottom block.  The questions arise as to size of the blocks and the size of the line.  Could someone please let me know what the configuration of original boom vang was and/or recommendations for alternatives which have worked for you?  Many thanks in advance.

Print Friendly
Avatar
Scott Carle
Admin
August 28, 2017 - 11:34 am
Member Since: October 10, 2009
Forum Posts: 1337
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

So, i would say 3/8 inch line and blocks that can stand a couple thousand pounds force.

 

to give an example here is a schaefer boom vang kit for our size boat

https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=145_168&products_id=3511&zenid=s2m9tqijcfka51k0bu3vvtoh63

https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=147_128

 

The price on schaefers website is significantly more than on defender where I posted the first link.. however for some reason I could not get that link to post correctly so you will need to go to http://www.defender.com and just search for boom vang kit and then find it there.

 

I have purchased garhauer hardware for my boat and found it to be a fraction of the cost of the other name brands and absolutely stellar quality

here are some of their boom vang setups directly from them https://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=38 just look for the ones that have a 2800 lb working load. all of them are under 200 dollars ... they also have some decent bails.. Honestly I would give them a call and discuss your installation and what bail to use and how to attach it. I think that using screws to install it would not work well but that your going to need to get a bolt that goes through.. however all my boats already had it installed and I haven't taken one apart that I remember so I'm not going to be absolute about this. They have been very helpful over the phone when I called them before.

I think you could piece it together for a lot less than their price though. If you don't already have attachment points on mast and boom you need to figure in those.

Print Friendly
Scott Carle DE38 Cutter s/v Valkyr
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
August 28, 2017 - 10:30 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks, Scott, that was the technical info I was looking for.  

There are several "slightly used" on eBay, too, and yes, I need bales for the boom and the mast.  

I'll also have to rig up some outboard attachment points so I can use this as a preventer now and then.

Appreciate your help, as always.

BobSmile

Print Friendly
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
August 29, 2017 - 10:24 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Scott.  Would you mind re-posting that link to Defender?  It did not work for me.

I think I know what you are looking at but just want to be sure. It looks like the Shaefer Series 7 blocks would be the right size.  Agreed?

I am learning some new terms like fiddles and beckets!  Interesting.

As to the bails, I am thinking that they should be screwed into the widest points on the boom/mast to get the screws in shear.  If the mast were off the boat I could through bolt the bail, but since it is mounted on the deck I'll have to use self tapping screws.  (or should I drill and tap larger onesWink?)  

Comments/advice please.

Bob

Print Friendly
Avatar
Scott Carle
Admin
August 30, 2017 - 7:45 am
Member Since: October 10, 2009
Forum Posts: 1337
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have re-edited my initial post to fix links.. for some reason the way defender makes links for the direct product I can not get it to save correctly. I just created a like to their website and you will have to search from there. I put in links to the products on the Schaefer website. While doing this I remembered Garhauer and looked on their site. You can purchase one of three different model boom vangs suitable for the DE38 from their website directly for 175 dollars. They make and sell directly their hardware and have incredible quality products. I have started to purchase their hardware more and more over the years and been impressed with it every time. The link to the boomvangs has been added to the original post I made.

Print Friendly
Scott Carle DE38 Cutter s/v Valkyr
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
August 30, 2017 - 1:58 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for all that work, Scott.  And thanks for the reference to Garhauer.  I just ordered a pole support for my radar from them.  I have not received it yet, but the specs look very good and a very reasonable price.  I'll check on their boom vangs now.

All the best

Bob

Print Friendly
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
August 31, 2017 - 12:35 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I had the crazy thought during the night that maybe I should look for some old wooden blocks to make up the vang!  All the other blocks on the boat are wood faced. Having several of these fancy new SS fiddle blocks might not look good!  Of course one has to be sure of the strength of the "system" and with old blocks that might be nearly impossible (except by trial and error).  Just a thought!

Cheers

BobWink

Print Friendly
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
September 1, 2017 - 1:17 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Having thought about this for a while now I think that a "modern" boom vang would be the best, even if the style is a bit out of character.  Garhaur is clearly the best choice.  Very reasonable for excellent quality.  Thanks for your help, Scott.

BobWink

Print Friendly
Avatar
Scott Carle
Admin
September 1, 2017 - 1:54 pm
Member Since: October 10, 2009
Forum Posts: 1337
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

we no longer are using any of the wood faced blocks. The modern versions such as Garhaur perform much much better. we saw a 60+ percent drop in friction through the blocks going to a larger sheave with bearings and probably double the break strength.

Print Friendly
Scott Carle DE38 Cutter s/v Valkyr
avatar
bobmcd625
Member
Members
September 2, 2017 - 10:35 pm
Member Since: October 7, 2015
Forum Posts: 109
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am sure you are right.  I probably should bite the proverbial bullet and change out all of them, especially the main sheet.  Thanks for your insights.

Bob

Print Friendly
Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 42

Currently Online:
4 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today None
Upcoming None

Top Posters:

Jonathan Oasis: 161

CAE: 150

bobmcd625: 109

Rick: 90

svbodhran: 84

Erick: 83

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 7

Members: 277

Moderators: 1

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 3

Forums: 13

Topics: 614

Posts: 3240

Newest Members:

White Falcon, mgav451, FarNiente, MDR_Sailing, RodrigoDC

Moderators: Patrick Twohig: 116

Administrators: Scott Carle: 1337