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Scott Carle
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November 14, 2009 - 6:42 am
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Scott Carle DE38 Cutter s/v Valkyr
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I read the above article on Bob’s website and asked for permission to copy it over here as it really hit home given my experience with Valkyr this past week.

We ran out of water in the two water tanks. No big deal, we would just get the hose on the dock and fill them. It worked just fine. We filled the first tank. You could tell when it was full as it started to overflow around the deck fill (this is exactly what would happen on my last boat with a water bladder instead of a solid tank. It didn't have over flow or vent lines). We started to fill the second tank, and kept filling it and filling it… and filling it…. hmmm for some reason it just didn’t feel right. “It’s taking a lot longer to fill than the first tank” was said a couple times. Finally… “umm lets turn the hose off and find out where the water is going to.” When it comes to finding water start at the bottom and work your way up. It loves going to the lowest place it can find! “Hey guys, the bilge has a lot of water in it.” We must have had a hundred gallons or better of water in the bilge based on how long it took the bilge pump to pump it out. About 15 minutes. The slightly scary thing for us about this was that for the last few months the automatic bilge pump was not working at all. I fixed it so that it works manually now and am waiting on the new electronic bilge switches to get here so I can re-enable the automatic bilge feature. Pictures very similar to Bob's stories about the other boats sinking floated through my head as scary what ifs. It's not that bad because we don't leave the shore water connected and we were there during filling the tanks to monitor it and catch that it was taking to long to fill the tank, but it is enough to make you think twice. Until I read Bobs article I was assuming that we had a leak in the tank or a broken vent or something of that sort in the tank. After we pumped out the bilge we weren’t getting any more water like that in there so it led me to believe that it wasn’t a major leak in the tank. When I get a chance I am going to go spelunking on Valkyr in and around the water tanks and get some pictures as best I can. You can see the front of the forward tank from the forward access hatch in the v-berth. There is actually almost enough space to crawl up under there if you were a bit smaller than I am. :)

A couple of my (I want to do) projects are gages on the tanks to tell us how much water is in them at any given time as well as a filter system for drinking and cooking water. The water coming out of the tanks now seems clean and doesn’t smell at all so that is a good thing. What we use in the kettle for hot water is leaving a slight white film behind in the kettle though. This is about on par for what I get when boiling water using city water down here though, so probably isn’t indicative of any issue with the tanks. I have a external filter from my last boat that you can screw onto the hose as you are filling the tank that I am going to take up to the boat the next time we go up there that I will use to fill the tank with. Unlike Eolian, Valkyr has two (50 gallon according to the manufactures specs) tanks that sit dead center of the vessel down in the bilge area with the tops of the tanks just centimeters from the underside of the salon floor. This gives her 100 gallons capacity. From what I can tell they are actually slightly V shaped to fit the contour of the inside of the keel/bilge area from about the forward salon near the head to the galley cabinetry. I haven't seriously looked at the system yet.

So anyone else have some good water tank stories. Fixing, modifying, using, etc..?

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Scott Carle DE38 Cutter s/v Valkyr
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Scott,
When I puchased my DE 38, “Loggerhead,” in Sept of 09, I filled up both water tanks. And when I turned on the water, I saw what looked to be MUD coming out. So, I purchased a sink mounted filter. And then I replaced ALL the water lines (including the lines for the fresh and salt water foot-pumps in the galley), a new 5 GPM water pump (previous was 2.5 GPM), and installed an inline strainer for the pump. With the higher pressure generated by the new pump, I worried a bit more about leaks. So, I spent much time checking connections with an LED light and listening…..and listening. And then I heard it, a slight hissing sound. That’s when I realized the forward water tank was leaking. It appears to be leaking at the most aft and port seems at the bottom of the tank. Which explains the brown water from the forward tank and the clear water from the aft tank. The previous owner had obviously stopped using the forward tank a while back enabling much growth to occur. So, I too have now stopped using that tank.

Question: What to do? As you know, access to these tanks is very tight. I was actually thinking about cutting the top off the tank and installing either a water bladder or a smaller plastic tank in the remainder of the existing steel tank. I am open to suggestions.

  • "Lance,
    I think quick and dirty that cutting a hole in the top of the tank and installing a bladder would be the quickest and cheapest repair. After that maybe welding up the cracks from the inside of the tank to fix it? not sure even cutting a big inspection port in the top of the tank would affect this.."

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    Bodhran's tanks had dozens of pinhole leaks in them when I bought her.  It took a couple of weeks for the water to drain, so the tanks were usable, kindof.  Eventually I got around to fixing them the same way that I fixed the fuel tank: http://downeasteryachts.com/in.....eplacement

    Ameron 2/400 is NSF approved for potable water.  I filled one tank about a week after painting it and ended up with a faint epoxy taste to my water for the next 6 months.  The other tank I let cure for 3 weeks before using and was fine.  4 years later and my tanks are doing well.  On the DE32 there's a baffle that runs athwartship in each tank that would have to be cut in order to install a bladder.  Painting was much easier and I didn't lose any capacity.

    Jason

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