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Re-bedding deck drains
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February 12, 2014 - 7:37 pm
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I need to re-bed my center deck drains. Any advice? Butyl, 5200 ?

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February 12, 2014 - 10:46 pm
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I think I used 4200 when I did that 3 or 4 years ago and haven’t had any leaks yet.. I probably would have used butyl but the bolts holding them in to the deck pretty much sucked with limited bite on one of the bolts so I wanted the extra hold of something with adhesive power of its own.

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oh... forgot to mention... 4200 got pretty grungy and grimy where exposed. Nice pretty and white it isn't anymore 🙂 It does seem to work though.

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If you really want to do it right, use both butyl and 4000UV. Use the butyl along the inside part of the drain, right at the bend between the flange and the drain pipe. That will make a good seal right at the hole in the deck. Use 4000UV along the outside of the flange and to fill the over sized hole where the flange sits (if you fill this with goop, it won't fill with crud, plus the 4000UV has some adhesive properties like Scott mentioned). 4000UV cleans up well with acetone if you clean it off places you don't want it before it get's tacky, which is typically 10-15 minutes. If I had to pick just one, I'd use the 4kUV.

You NEVER want to use 5200 in this type of applications. If you go through your boating life thinking of 5200 as semi-flexible superglue, then you will be happy, because that is basically what it is. It is a very strong adhesive. There are some uses for a very strong, semi-flexible, water proof adhesive. But those uses are few and far between. I've done an extensive refit on Argyle and I have maybe used one or two a small tubes of 5200.

There are several different sealants out there, but for me it goes like this: Polysulfide (Lifecaulk) for below the water line through hulls, 4200 for most inside caulking/sealing, marine grade silicone for any sealing around items that get very hot (engine) AND what you are sealing is some sort of bolted together flange, butyl for deck hardware that get's bolted through, and 4000UV for topside caulking and any deck hardware that isn't bolted through.

By the way, you might also want to check the short hose that runs from the drain scupper to the overboard drain. Mine were made of a corrugated type of plastic and was hard and easily cracked and was leaking. Replaced it with smooth bore plumbing hose. Never liked the idea of ribbed hose for that application..

 

-Argyle

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February 13, 2014 - 8:06 am
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Yep I replaced all the factory hoses with a clear reinforced hose.. Though I have to say I don't think I really needed to replace them as they were still in usable shape. However they were a bit stiff with age so I swapped them out. One thing I would like to do is insulate the fittings and hoses from the inside of the boat. Those scuppers/drains and hoses contribute to a huge amount of condensation. Probably more than anything else I can think of on the boat. In cold weather there is a constant drip from them.

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Thanks you guys. Great advice!

I was thinking about putting butyl with 5200 around it. Combo type thing. What's a good brand of 4k UV? Sounds like a good way to go. Yes, I've noticed that once 5200 sets up, it's really on there and would probably take agressive sanding to get it completely off in the future.  The tube I have a smooth and very high grade quality. So I don't need to change them.

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February 13, 2014 - 3:47 pm
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if your tube is smooth then it probably isn't the stock tube.. it was a gray flexi type hose that looked corrugated.

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February 13, 2014 - 5:32 pm
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4kUV is 3M 4000UV Polyether based sealant. It's right next to the 5200 at just about any place that sells 5200. The UV in 4000 UV is because it has additives that keep it white (if you buy the white stuff, comes in white and black) and flexible for a long time when exposed to the sun. I use more of this stuff than anything else and it's not close.

The reason I don't like the ribbed hose is that the ribs on the inside catch crud and the water never drains out of them. It seems like if you were trying to engineer a way to come up with the most clog prone, worst possible solution for a horizontal drain, this is what you would come up with. On the other hand, it was probably what the guys had laying around the yard when they needed some non-critical hose.

Good point about the condensation. Never thought about that because I don't spend winter on the boat. I wonder if you could zip-tie some of that stuff you see on chiller pipes in buildings?

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February 13, 2014 - 9:43 pm
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Yep.. probably just wrap it in reflectics and hvac tape or a thin fiberglass insulation, or if you can find some big enough the split plumbing insulation. Then just tape it sealed so that air can't get to it to condense. 🙂 I used clear hose so I could see in it for obstructions etc.. maybe a clear bubble wrap and clear packing tape to insulate it so you still can sorta see through it 🙂

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