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New to DE 38 and Question about Fuel Tank
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dfharris02
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May 22, 2019 - 11:54 pm
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I just closed on a 1977 DE 38 and I'm very excited.  The survey came out great with no major issues.  In fact, the surveyor was really impressed by how dry and solid the boat was after forty years!  I've been reading about the diesel tanks in the DE and it seems that they do eventually wear out.  I'm not planning on long distant cruising right now so I'm wondering if anyone has ever considered putting a 25 gallon back up tank below the quarter berth?  Any thoughts would be great. Happy to post pics but don't know how!

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May 23, 2019 - 6:22 am
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I have to finish repairing our fuel tank and have put a 12 gallon portable tank in the foot well of the cockpit with a board mounted above it at deck level and painted with the same non skid as the deck. It fills in the space between the front of the foot well and the steering pedestal. Makes the cockpit deck one large expanse forward of the steering pedestal. Even after I get the tank repaired I will leave that in as we like the deck like that.

 

I don't see an issue with a fuel tank under the quarter berth. At least a smaller one. too much weight there will affect balance a little bit as it is off center but honestly if we are talking 25 gallons that is less than 200 lbs. If you custom made a fiberglass one to the shape of the forward lower area you would end up making the tank turn into a flat floor area there that would actually make it easier and nicer to use as storage. Only downside to putting a permanent tank there is that there is some wiring that goes from the chart table to the engine room such as battery cables and electrical and electronic runs of wires. You would either need to re-run them to make them accessible after you do the tank or make them inaccessible and if something goes wrong you will just have to cut the wires/cables and run new at that time.

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Are the 38s tanks aluminium?  My de 32 is aluminium. It's pretty thick I wonder why these tanks go bad? I've read a few posts on bad tanks does seem like a few. I did notice on my tanks there's 2 bronze elbows for the fuel pick up and the fuel return. Bronze to aluminium is a no-no. Also the fuel guage sending unit looks like carbon steel, also a no-no. I don't know if this is typical. But aluminium to aluminium is best, followed by ss to aluminium . Lastly the bronze.... Just my 2 cents

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May 30, 2019 - 11:46 am
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They are aluminum. typically it is the bottom of the tank that rots out. This is due to them placing the tank flush on the floor of the middle bilge area under the galley. The standard design allows water and debris from the anchor locker to flow back through the bilges the full length of the boat. Because the water and fuel tanks are flush with the bilge floor sand, earth and other debris as well as stuff that works its way through the hatches over time in the floor and dead insects and insect droppings will build up under and along the forward edge of the tanks where they contact the floor. This layer of earth/debris holds moisture in it long term and leads to corrosion of the tanks there. If they had simple placed a few longitudinally place 1 inch thick strips of fiberglass into the floor to raise the tanks just that much above the floor it would have allowed all that stuff to just flow under the tanks without ever sitting against them. The materials are top notch and show it everywhere that didn't happen. I have no issues in my 79 DE39 with any of the fittings or top and sides of the tank other than at the bottom forward edge. I found out the hard way when I used a pressure washer to clean that area of the bilge to try and blow all that crud that we couldn't reach past the tank to the lower bilge so we could pump it out. That part worked but pressure washer blew all the corroded aluminum off also and went right through the that front lower edge of the tank. Fun times.

 

We ended up isolating the bilge from the rest of the boat with a drain hose leading to a dedicated forward bilge pump. This leaves the bilges bone dry. If replacing a tank I would raise it an inch off the floor on strips to allow it to stay out of contact with the floor.

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June 3, 2019 - 10:23 pm
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Interesting..

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It is interesting that Scott's tank makes contact with the bottom of the lower bilge. Mine does not do that (hull #40, '75). I have at least 6" of space between the bottom of the tank and the bilge floor. I have enough room to stick one of those oil-absorbent socks under the fuel tank. I have an access hatch cut under the engine that I drop it in. I lay the sock down aft then use a stick to slide it forward and under the tank. I also have a slow weeping leak somewhere in the tank so a replacement is on the long to-do list. So far, the sock, replaced once a year, is enough to keep it under control and keep a sheen from forming when the bilge pump goes.

I have seen different numbers associated with fuel tank capacity. I've seen numbers from 75 to 90 gallons. Perhaps the difference in size of the tanks is due to the extra length that some tanks have to the bottom of the bilge.

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Mine is hull#147 and there is also about a 6" inch gap between the bottom of the tank and the bottom of the bilge.  The challenge is access because the tank is so hidden!  David

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July 11, 1923 - 4:48 am
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That is very interesting.

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Have to add my 2 cents.  "Dream Maker" is a 1975 DE38 hull #70.  The bottom of the tank was about 6 inches from the bilge and where it developed a leak was in a bubble of the weld at the bottom of the tank.  The expert welder who repaired my tank reported to me that the welding was very crude but made up for it in the quantity of weld.  What degrades the aluminum is contact with bilge water and electricity.  There is a bundle of wires that are very close to the starboard wing of the tank that should be inspected.  Lifting the tank out of the bilge was easy peasy ; getting to it was as easy as tearing up the galley, quarter birth, chart table, and of coarse the cabin sole.  Oh the joys of owning a production boat. 

Cheers and beers,

Jim

PS  Pictures are on page 3 of this forum

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