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Scott Carle
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September 11, 2018 - 12:17 pm
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So I was asked about getting ready for the hurricane as we are about 60 miles from where it is supposed to hit land so far. I decided to just start a topic for that that people can post in rather than do it in a thread on electric windlasses 🙂 I know we have at least on other DE38 just south of me in charleston sc also, so maybe others will be able to comment here to on their hurricane experiences

 

so for us this is what we have been doing so far.

Doing a little clean up and putting filtered water in jugs. Got a couple cans of gas yesterday. Might fill a propane tank later today. Take some trash to the dump. other than that not doing much (other than sitting here wasting time on the internet 🙂  We have poly carbonate storm shutters on the house already. and always have oil lamps around. Lots of rechargeable batteries. Our stove top is a gas (propane) one that we use a couple 100 Lb tanks to run. One tank lasts for about a year.

 

Our normal life in the country farm-ish lifestyle leaves us 90% ready to deal with something like this anyway. One of our bathrooms even has a composting head in it just like the boat for occasions when the power is out and the well is down. If power is down for long I will try to get the old generator running or I can hook some solar panels I have sitting around up and at least run the fridge and lights. Also have a hand pump I could put on the well. This house has been here for 40ish years and never taken damage from a storm other than to lose a few shingles and no worries about flooding either. We are about half way between the cities of Conway and Loris in Horry County, SC. So about 35 driving miles from Myrtle Beach, SC. It's very rural around our house. Nearest neighbor is 100yards away and mostly woods and farm fields around our little one acre 🙂 The way the land lays around us we are in a small dip with lots of very large tree's sheltering us but far enough away that we are not at risk of one falling on the house. If we get 100 mph winds the house might see 45 to 60 mph. Anything under 75 or so and you really cant even hear it inside. If we get 100 mph here then we start to hear and barely feel the gusts in the house.

 

Honestly most storms we never even lose power or internet where I am, it will maybe flicker a bit. Maybe every 4th or 5th hurricane will take the power down for a day or so.

 

Everyone at the beach is evacuating and yesterday evening a lot of gas stations were out of gas. looks like it will come in north of us and we might get 70 ish mpg winds and lots! of rain. If so it won't be a big deal for us personally.

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Good idea to start a separate thread about Florence (or others on the way).

Sounds like you are in a well protected area and have lots of "stuff" to be prepared for the worst.

Hope it all goes well for you and yours.

Fair (and gentle) winds.Surprised

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Well woke up at 5:30 this morning, actually fairly normal time for us with kids to get to school normally, and storm is now predicted to be very close to direct hit here. 🙁 hope it shifts again before Thursday. Wind speeds down to 130mph.. if it continues to drop it should be ok for us personally even with direct hit. We have gone through a bunch of 100 mph storms here over the years with no damage at all.

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Thanks for the update, Scott.  Looks like you have things under control at home.

What about your boat?

We are probably going to scrub the trip to NC next week.  Its for a cousin's wedding in NW NC and we won't be missed! Florence should have flown by the end of next week, but the aftermath could be messy.  Too bad, but we should not mess with bad weather when it's well forecasted.

Good luck.Surprised

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Yeah I have the feeling there will be a lot of trees down and moderate damage to infrastructure due to the duration. Wind strength doesn't look horrible for us right now but having the storm sit on us for 1.5 to 2.5 days instead of passing over in 12 to 18 hours like happens most times will make it a lot worse. I am anticipating 75 mph winds at our house and moderate to bad shingle loss. Shingles are about 20 years old and we started losing some last storm. maybe 10ish that I had to replace.  🙁

Hopefully boat will do ok. We will see.

 

Yeah I don't see roads and travel in the area being easy for a couple weeks if not longer than that. We are going to have massive flooding in NC and SC. Our house isn't affected by that but it will affect our ability to travel withing the county. Last time we lost the ability to go directly to either of the cities on to our north and south from our house for about a week because of flooded and then collapsed roads. There were dozens of places like that through out the county. Horry County where we live is 1,134 square miles larger than Rhode Island so it has a lot of roads and spread out that go over lots of creeks, rivers and swamps, that will all probably flood by 5 to 15 feet depending on which ones they are. Honestly as slow as this storm is moving that might be much much worse this time as I think it is going to dump 2 to 3 times the rain that the normal bad storm does.

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Well looks like the eye is now going to roll right over us maybe. However it should be down to 74 or under by then.. we will see 🙁

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What can I say but "Batten down the hatches!"

Stay safe for sure.

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nothing yet.. been light to no breeze most of the day. Overcast most of the day though. We have large hinged awning I built last year on back deck. 3 7ft x 8ft sections that cover 24 feet of the length of the 32ft back deck along the length of the house. Put it down and bolted bottom to deck. Looks like a white corrugated wall now across back two doors and window. Made the mistake of watching a test houses to destruction in a wind tunnel video on the internet. Not pretty. Now I want a concrete block or maybe a monolithic dome to live in 🙂

 

Scott

Heading to bed early I think. It's really quiet around here so far. Think storm will really get here tomorrow later.

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Good idea having separate thread.  Hope your OK  since last post.  I'm hoping its only because of lost power and internet.  Have you had any flooding?  How high are you from the closest river??  How did you prepare your boat?  We live on a river in Mobile Al and the lower part of our property floods regularly.  House up on a hill and fine.  Keep in touch when you can.

Cheers and beers,

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Sorry I haven't updated. Most just been lazy around here. lot of disruption of getting around due to river flooding and road closures. at highest we had 144 roads closed in county. down to 98 or so but the river flooding has a couple more days before it crests. I think it will be worst in recorded history here. Doesn't personally affect us unless we happen to need to get somewhere that has a road closed due to river flooding. All hurricane/rain flooding is over and gone. Just the rain from upstate coming down the river systems left.

 

According to weather stations we had 50 to 80 mph winds. according to the personal weather stations around us in the county we had 22 to 41 mph winds. We had no damage, not even tree limbs down from the pines around us. Just pine needles and leaves from trees. No shingles lost. We did lose power for 12 hours.

 

Boat as of yesterday was still anchored on the river where we have it according to someone that got close enough to see it. Road blockages have kept me from getting to it and no calls I have made to anyone unofficial or official to ask about it has gotten a response. I'm going to try and push my way down there today. I'm not terribly worried, i put out stern and bow anchors. All chain on the bow and chain and rope off the stern when we anchored her there. However the normal depth then was 8 ft to 10 ft. Today will see 16ft of water +. I had let a little chain at the front puddle  when I anchored so she had some leeway if the water went up or down. Not sure how confident I am about double the depth. 🙁 she is out of the current though in an eddy spot. If she was still anchored yesterday there I think she will be ok. I think even with 16 + feet of water she is at least 3 to one scope in a area out of the current. Forward anchor is 80lbs of plow anchor on 5/8s chain ? rear anchor is 45 lb danforth on 20 ft of chain and then 5/8 Rhode.

 

Local area other than river food areas is no worse off than bad thunderstorm. Problem for everyone is that it is a tourist area and until roads open its a ghost town. Also its impacting resupply of some grocery stores. This doesn't affect us personally as we are located so that with some wending we can get in and out of the area. Also I'm an old farm boy/sailor/liveaboard we have months of provisions at our house and are pretty self sufficient much like if you were doing world sailing 🙂 LOL. if our house had been somewhere that it flooded we would have found a way to get to the boat and just took up residence there.  Fortunately we are not in a part of the county that floods period. Sadly for those near the river and some that have never dealt with it before the flooding is devastating. maybe 30000 people displaced from their homes right now. 2 years ago with hurricane Mathew it was considered the worst flooding in a century/millennium? This is expected to be two to 4 ft higher than that and crest sometime this weekend. It is not going to impact the economic drivers of our area but for a lot of individuals and individual business it is going to wipe them out. I have the feeling that after a week under water most of the houses are going to be total write offs. A lot of the houses in flood prone areas would get a few feet in them on bad floods. This will put them under water.

So over all in broad scope the storm barely affected the area, river flooding is doing worse by keeping people away though that will be done in a week or so. call it a week and a half of missed school for the kids. Our daughter in a private school is back as of yesterday but public schools are closed till Monday so they can be used as emergency shelters for flood victims. My wife and kids are staying with friends near her school as there is risk of all the connecting roads between here and there going under water for the next two to three days and we don't want her to miss school. Not to mention my wife was babysitting for 3 or 4 days for one of my daughters classmates and she needed to be down there later this week to do that for a few days into next week.

 

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So today was crazy.. talked with about every involved agency working to help recover and or prepare for  flooding in my area. I had tried calling for two days to no result. Today I drove down and spent a couple hours going from one agency to the next looking for help.  I was trying to get to the boat to check on her. I saw her from the bridge she is near and she had dragged the anchor about 20  yards or more and with a stern and forward anchor out she had swapped ends and the stern anchor line was running under the boat. After many trials and tribulations and phone calls to lots of people, I spoke with the Georgetown coast guard station and they had a boat on the wacammaw river. Since they were coming up river on another mission looking at water levels and seeing what bridges or trestles were under water already they agreed to pick me up and drop me off on the boat to reset my anchors. Not really their mission but they were very kind. Boat crew wondered who I knew to get the pull to get a boat sent to pick me up for that. LOL I just had to tell them that I had no pull, that I just asked and someone said yes. God bless the Coast Guard. Anyway long story short pulled up anchor and reset with more scope and three anchors this time. Other than dragging a few yards she come through with no damage I could see. I have to say that pulling a 80lb anchor and many many feet of chain even with a winch sucks. Rear 45lb danforth was so tight under the boat I had to move her to free up pressure to get anchor up. Current was not bad compared to the actual river but still enough pressure on boat that my muscles weren't going to do the job. Maneuver boat, run forward and try to get anchor over quickly in right place.. run back maneuver boat get next anchor over 🙂 Single handing her is physically tough when your in as bad a shape as I am. After each operation I had to sit for a few minutes and catch my breath and then do the next. Not sure how long it took. Way to long 🙂 CG boat came back by and picked me up and dropped me back off in Conway a mile up the river or so. Couldn't say thank you enough.

If they hadn't got me on Valkyr there is a good chance she would have been in the house beside the landings' yard when the water goes back down.

 

Reason I went to official agencys was that in the effort to keep water off the main road that goes by the landing where she is anchored they have blocked all access to the river for quite a way. I would have thrown a kayak in at the landing but wasn't willing to take the kayak from a mile plus up river down the the boat and then back up the river. Down would have been easy. river was probably moving at 5 to 7 knots.  There were some pilings that were just vibrating from the water speed. Don't think I could paddle my kayak for more than 100 yards at faster than 5 knots. 🙂

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Thanks for the quick and detailed reply.  We all can learn from this.  Mother Nature can be very nasty when she feels like it.  I seem to recall that current is 10 times as strong as wind. That means that 5 kt of current is equal to 50 kt of wind.  That could be off, but you get the general idea.  An interesting thing that happened to me, I was anchored in good sand and in 6ft of water in 30 kt wind.  Let out 60 ft of 3/8 chain and felt very secure.  Decided to dive the anchor to get a fish eye perspective.  Was astonished to see the entire 60 feet of chain come off the bottom when the boat surged to a wave.  Never thought that would happen.  Needless to say, I let out 100 ft. of chain and rechecked the anchor.  Moral to story, I prefer trees.

 

Cheers and beers,

Jim

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anchoring is a bit of a gamble under the best of times. Most of the time you can't see your anchor to confirm if it has a good hold. If you can get in the water and check it do that always, but sometimes you can't; to deep, to cold, no visibility, to much current. You can back down on it, but even if it holds, what is it holding on and will it turn loose in the next ten tugs. Where I'm anchored now is a mud bottom. It grabs pretty quick and holds well to a point but it's mud and a strong enough pull and it will move. Why I had 2 anchors out and now three. Caution will take you far to be totally secure you need a bit of luck to.

 

Example is my 2 anchors did drag. Luck is that they dragged to the center of the area I anchored in putting the boat in the center of a safe area. If they had dragged another 20 yards my boat would have been over the bulkhead of the house beside the landing and if grounded there be anywhere from 10 to 40 yards from water sitting in someones yard or even against someones house. Where my boat is sitting luckily is out of pretty much any current. 20 yards away the river is flowing 4 to 7  knots, my boat is just up in the channel leading to the landing and dock there and in an eddy. Yesterday when anchoring and leaving the helm to run forward the boat moved very slowly. 10 to 20 ft a minute maybe. Couldn't ask better than that. That tells me it was only wind that moved the boat during storm.

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Hi Scott,

Sounds like you came out of this one unscathed.  Hate to tell you how many hours I have spent yakking about anchoring with my friends, as this is how we would spend most of our time,  at anchor. 

As I said in my last post, I prefer trees.  One  of my friends recommended that you should physically take your boat to your hurricane hide y hole as a preparation for the next storm.  A little bit of work that pays a dividend.  Usually when I find these places, it is a little muddy stream or backwater that has a lot of trees.  These trees are much stronger then an anchor and also have the advantage of breaking up the wind and the stream is so small that you can only get one or two boats up there. I usually anchor bow and stern and then carry two 100 ft. lines for the purpose of tying  to a tree.  I use a bowline  with a 8 ft loop.  This large loop makes it much easier to retrieve the line from the dingy.  With more and more boats on the waterways these places are getting harder to find.  I did see about 30 boats rafted together with there bow tied to trees and there stern to anchors.  This seemed to work quite well. 

If I do have to anchor in mud, I back down the boat up to 1500 RPM, make a range out of two objects on shore and see what happens.  If there is a lot of wind, the boat will tack back and forth like it is sailing.  This will put pressure on one anchor at a time, and you will drag along the  bottom and slowly bring the anchors together.  I  prefer my buoyed  75 lb fisherman attached to my 45 lb CQR  with 30 ft of rode.  Then my CQR is led to the boat with all chain and a 3/4 inch snubbing line that is 30 ft long.  This gives the boat an easy ride to the waves and you do not feel a jerking motion in the boat from the waves.

As I said before, I prefer trees.

 

Cheers and beers,

Jim

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Yep.. thought about doing the anchor to anchor setup but I was worn out and to tired to maneuver that setup when I set it and when I re-set it. I used a two 75 to 80 lb anchors off the bow and a 45 off the rear. Did fine for this storm.. bottom sucked where I anchored as it is all mud but it was a matter of access. I over anchored and it worked out this time.

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