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diverchick71
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This may be already atopic but my mobile won't let me load past the first page of posts.

What style dinghy davits do y'all have installed? I see the pics of the one on Valkyr, Scott, and that appears to be close to what we are looking at purchasing. I've looked at a couple of websites. Atlantic Towers has one that they have pics online of their product mounted on a DE 38. Seems economical and about the shape we wanted. Curious as to what's working for others.

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I am less than happy with our dingy davits. Not for any reason other than location. it is hard to get a dingy attached with you on the boat or let down and then you get in the dingy. Not bad when floating tied to a dock but I don't see it being easy at anchor. There is no easy access to the water at the rear of our boats. We were just having a conversation on on another thread about places for a boarding ladder and the best one is amidships. Reality is that unless you pick the dingy up and strap it to deck the davits off the back of the boat are the best place to carry a dingy while under way but it is very inconvenient to deploy from there. Other than location we have the engine side of the davits with 6 to 1 purchase and the front with a 4 to 1 purchase. Used to be 4 to 1 on both ends. 6 to 1 works really easy, 4 to 1 worked also just  a bit more effort. We are now using the davits also for holding a 190 watt solar panel.

 

I will have to look into issue with mobile browsers.. I hadn't even tried to use the site using one. I think the next upgrade of the software the site runs on has some mobile browser upgrades in it.

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I saw that.  We have a nice wood ladder that came with the boat, the hinges need working but otherwise is good shape. 

 

Good to know on the dinghy.  Hmm.  Not really many other options though, is there?  Or just go without.  Right now we have solar mounted on the rear railing...but we need more so will probably end up with the flexible ones on our bimini for weight and ease.

Could you use a halyard to help lower the dinghy and then board while at anchor from amidships?  (Coming from the girl that's never boarded a dinghy from a boat. 🙂  Such a newbie) Travis wants the dinghy on the deck strapped down when we are underway.  I probably agree.  My big concern is the weight.  Hoisting it into the water is more than I can probably handle. 

 

We don't actually have a dinghy yet, but want to get all the hardware configured before we paint the deck. 

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no worries about the weight.. you would use a halyard amidships to lift and lower the dingy from where you would lash it down on deck. You could even rig up a gin pole to help with a 6 to 1 purchase block and tackle to give you really easy control. Lin and Larry Pardey have some videos in which they show themselves doing this..

I just looked it is in their video "Getting Ready to Cross Oceans" at about 12 minutes into the video they actually demonstrate pulling the dingy up on deck with the halyard. Not hard to do. I have all their videos and they are full of practical good ideas. I think I have watched each of them 2 or 3 times.

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I wanted to have my davits to be removable when not in use. Partly because they add extra length if you are staying at a marina and partly because I have a somewhat crazy obsession with making everything I do on the boat reversible or removable.

So with all that in mind I chose St. Croix davits, model 400. They are actually designed to be davits that you fold inboard (the vertical part of the davit swivels so they can swing inboard when not in use). I had the base for the davits modified so they could be easily removed. I attached the bottom part of the davits to a pair of 3/8" stainless steel angle stock that I attached to the small vertical portion of the transom (see pictures). The second attachment is to the pushpit rail. I had to engineer a standoff to the rail or else the vertical portion of the davit would be at an odd angle. I used pipe standoffs to make the attachment (they are the blue things in the second picture, this year I painted them black to protect from the sun). They are available from places that offer commercial pipe fitting industrial stuff. I don't remember where exactly I got them.

The davits remove pretty easily when I'm not using them. The attachment with the pushpit stand-off is four 1/4-20 bolts through a clamp that comes with the davits. I had the bolts welded to the clamp so they could not fall off and in to the drink. The nuts can fall off, they have to come off, but it's one less thing to be careful about. The lower attachement just sits on the "cup" that is bolted to the angle stock. The davits fit quite nicely in the lazaratte.

One modification I had to make was that I had to install cross-bars between the davits. They were a little too eager to swing to port or starboard when heeling, even with the dingly pretty well secured. So I got some 1" ss tube and some end fittings to attach the tube to the davits. This stabilized the davits, but it does add a couple of extra steps for when you stow them.

I made a sling to attach the dink to the lifting tackle. My dinghy is wooden and doesn't have any hard points for lifting. So I made a sling from nylon webbing. I used a pair of ash broom handles from Home Depot to keep the webbing open and a sewed on a pair of lead dive weights on the bottom side of the nylon so it stays submerged under the dinghy when launching and retrieving. I board and un-board the dinghy from the ladder that goes amidships. Then using the dinghy painter and stern line, along with the boat hook, maneuver it to the stern where I tie it off to the rail. Then lower the lifting tackle, with slings attached. Move the dinghy forward and backward until the slings are under and in the right spots and lift. With one person it's a little tricky, but I got my technique down. With two people it's easy since you can both lift at the same time, but you need to be in synch, so it's good to know a couple of sailor shanties for hauling. My wife and I prefer "South Australia" for this type of work [Image Can Not Be Found]. It's not too bad in a moderately rolly anchorage, it just takes a bit longer. In a really rolly area, it would be tough, but so would boarding from a dink via a stern ladder. The part that takes the longest is actually securing the dinghy so it doesn't move once under-weigh. That usually takes me about a half hour.

Note that this setup is not designed for a 12' inflatable with a 20 hp four stroke hanging from it's transom. I would not suppose it's strong enough for that sort of load. I also do not use davits for going offshore. They are for inshore, protected waters. (This is true of all davits, actually, I've been on boats where they broke and had to do some heroics to save the dink.) Offshore the dinghy gets disassembled (it's a nesting dinghy) and lashed to the foredeck.

 

-Argyle

 

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Consider if you will have a wind vane and how the davits might work with or around that.

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Jonathan Oasis said:

Consider if you will have a wind vane and how the davits might work with or around that.

Yes, definitely, good point. This is another reason why I wanted them removable. Wind vane is for offshore, when I wouldn't use my davits anyway. Davits are for inshore, where you typically wouldn't use a wind vane.

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The wind vane is on the high priority list for next year and that was one of my thoughts with regard to the davits, that we could lift the dink out of the way of the windvane. After this discussion, I think I'll put the davits on the low priority list. I always planned on having the dink lashed to the deck when underway anyway. We are looking at about a 8 hp engine and smaller dinghy, it's just us. The sling is a good idea, I can see a sling being a brilliant idea even if using the halyard. You'd have to have a way to attach it and even out the weight if using the halyard amidships anyway. Of course then it doesn't have a "dual purpose" 🙂 unless you could make a dinghy sling/hammock? I might be onto something. 🙂 since I want flexible solar panels, the dinghy davits aren't dual purpose either.

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diverchick71 said:

   My big concern is the weight.  Hoisting it into the water is more than I can probably handle.  

Dinghy's weigh less than 100 lbs.  It is no problem.  Remember that a 16 yo girl completed a circumnavigation.  Sure I guess she didn't have a dinghy but she must have known how to use purchase instead of muscles.  When the dinghy is hoisted with a halyard then there is no weight to support.  Just need a little push to get it out over the side while lowering.  It might be a 2-person job but only because the dinghy is awkward and the sailboat's paint is precious, not really because of weight.  Or if you have a whisker pole (i.e. attached to the mast) then maybe use that to swing it out while lowering.

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I don't think you want to raise or lower the dinghy with the engine mounted on the dinghy.  It is a 2-step process.  First lower the dinghy into the water.  Then lower the engine onto the dinghy.    Vice versa for raising.  Store the engine separately from the dinghy, i.e. engine bracket mounted on the stern rail.

If you are at anchor somewhere, then just for 1 night, the dinghy & engine can be raised some feet out of the water as a unit, just for theft protection, not for storage.

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That is exactly what I was thinking, Johnathon. Plus I like rowing...did it all thru high school and brings back fun memories. :-). So if it's calm I'll row and if not mount the engine.

Now I'm totally on this sling/hammock idea tho. 🙂

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My davits are like that. They pivot so that they can be flat at the transom. However like you said they are way to floppy that way unless you put cross braces and stuff on them We have the aluminum frame of a 3ft by 5ft solar panel u-bolted to them and it is very ridged now. before that there was a teak cross piece with criss crossed cords tensioning from corner to corner to hold stuff stiff. solar panel works better 🙂

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My DE32 had fiberglass filled PVC davits – sort of a DIY poor man's system – which I thought was really nifty at first. But in one heavy rain storm they broke and although I've often thought of replacing them, they fall off the priority list for one reason… As you mention – on shore vs. off shore… Whenever sailing, I really want to start with the dinghy up on the foredeck because, if/when conditions increase to where I'd want to not have the dinghy on davits, transitioning from davits to foredeck is probably not going to happen. By not having davits, that situation never happens. When in port or at anchor, my dinghy is in the water, ready to go.

 

That said, Railmakers, here in Everett, WA, will fabricate anything you design for a pretty good price. So, radar tower, wind generator, davits which pivot inboard when underway, all very doable and custom.

 

When considering your design, as Scott mentioned, using solar panels helps rigidity as well as offering somewhat of a rain cover for the dinghy. 

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diverchick71 said:

I saw that.  We have a nice wood ladder that came with the boat, the hinges need working but otherwise is good shape. 

 

Hi Diverchick,

could you post a picture of your wood ladder please ?

Cheers

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Argyle38 said:

I wanted to have my davits to be removable when not in use. Partly because they add extra length if you are staying at a marina 

By the way, the davits on Oasis are on a rotating bracket, where the arm is attached. Each arm rotates forward and I usually clip the block-tackle to the stanchions forward (halfway distance to the lifeline gate).  Luckily it doesn't add any length to the boat for measurement.   What might add a bit of length is the outboard bracket on the stern stanchion so I remove the outboard before getting measured.

 

The rotating bracket seems sturdy enough (has another small beam to support this point too).  But I don't know the specs on the davits. You can kinda make them out in the stern pic of the Oasis boat profile,   downeasteryachts.com /forums/boat-profiles/de32-oasis   

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Mine rotated too, theoretically 🙂 however with the beam that was U-bolted to them for the stern light on the old setup and now the solar panel bolted to the top of them they are permanently fixed. Adds about 4 ft to length of boat. Leaves us about 45 overall I think.

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