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DE 32 Propane Locker, Tank Size?
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As we know the DE 32 propane locker is a tight squeeze for two tanks. I presently just have one tank, but would like to acquire another. I can't make out the size (gl capacity) of the one I have. Anyone know what gallon and deminsions of what fits nice and where I might acquire? Much appreciated

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I can fit a 20lb horizontal in the DE38 but I'm not sure what the DE32 takes... let me do a search as I think there was some discussion of this in the past.

 

ok for what it is worth here is a compendum of propane posts and or topics

/forums/general-forum/de32-propane-locker-improvements?value=propane&type=1&include=1&search=1&ret=all

 

sigh and sadly there wasn't much... several DE32's listed having two tanks but didn't specify sizes or tank type.

 

You will need to measure your compartment and then search for tanks that will fit in it.. either one large or two smaller ones. I have thought about enlarging our propane locker or just mounting one off the stern rail as a spare.

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I can't comment directly on the 32 propane tank locker but if it's the same size as the 38, then four 5# tanks fit nicely. The DE38 locker is 18"Lx18"Wx15"H. The 18" width and length taper up to 19.5" at the top (so the walls are slightly tapered when the volume is viewed from the side). If the DE32 has the same dimensions then the four 5# will work. Manchester tanks makes these and they are still available:

 

"http://www.mantank.com/products/dotproducts/5-420steel.htm"

 

If you google search the part number, 10054, you should be able to find several vendors.

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I don't think it is the same size but he will need to measure to make sure. I'm pretty sure I talked with someone about this before but I can't find a reference to it at all.

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I wish they had built the lockers to hold a standard 20lb tank in a vertical orientation. I could replace a steel tank 5 to 8 times what one steel horizontal tank cost me.

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My previous measurements of DE32 propane locker are in this topic

downeasteryachts.com /forums/general-forum/de32-propane-locker-improvements

I previously looked for "new" replacements to the existing DE32 tank size, did not find one, and I believe it is not possible to find the same tank anymore.

 

DE32 propane tank locker has the following measurements

19" L x 9 1/4" W x 14" D

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If I may offer a suggestion... my DE32 has a 20# tank in the lazarett. A previous owner build wooden frame and re-plumbed the hosing. This was kind of a good thing in that by doing so, I found the built in propane locker is a great fit for several small generators.

However, I do want to get the propane out of my lazarett and being safety conscious, I wouldn't consider mounting propane anywhere except off the stern rail, aft of the cockpit.. preferably in it's own little case (note: I read your other thread on not having a preference for stern rail mounting). When combining the installation with a nice davit arrangement, it can be made non-intrusive looking.

My reasoning for wanting to mount aft and outboard of the hull is that if/when there is a leak, propane will expel out of the boat. While my lazarett drains above the waterline, as does the built in propane locker, the drains are capable of blocking. Tanks mounted aft of the cockpit over water can't be blocked. If there is a fire at or near the tanks, they can be jettisoned, and might even jettison themselves. 

There is still an issue with leaky propane drifting back into the boat on downwind, but I believe that condition is much more manageable than having any amount of propane in a locker. 

Some people have mounted propane on deck above their cabins. That'd make me way too nervous.

All that said, I haven't found a suitable tank mount as yet... The most likely tank I'll go for is the slim aluminum tank at West Marine ($194) as it's low profile for this type of installation... but the fiberglass tanks are intriguing.

Also, I suggest only having the propane tank valve opened when in use.

My opinions are formulated by a booklet of pictures a well regarded surveyor let me browse of boats damaged by propane explosions.

My 2 cents... Hope this helps.

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My DE38 is open to the bilges and propane would drain down into them if there was a leak. If yours has no openings to the bilges then I would bet someone modified it. I have 3 separate openings. Two for an engine compartment exhaust system and then fairly large opening in the very bottom under the quadrant that just opens into the bilge/engine area. I will have to look again but I don't believe there are any through hulls open to that area of the boat. Lots of them there but they are for engine exhaust, bilge pumps, propane locker drain etc..

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Does escaped propane really have any chance to drift back into the boat?  I thought propane is much much heavier than air so it acts more akin to water and falls rapidly. Definitely a tank above the cabin would seem not so good.

For the tank-in-the-large-lazarette idea, Oasis does have the large lazarette plumbed to a thru-hull with a length of hose.    I think USCG specifies the length can only be so long and the angle also has to be so steep. I'd rather have less risk of blowing up so best to look up those dimensions.  That lazarette also has an opening (not air tight) to the bilge for the bilge pump hose so it's not air tight to the bilge.   Usually I put the dinghy gas can in there where it can also exhaust to the outside.

 

If you mount the tank off the stern rail, then it does add some unfavorable weight balancing (or maybe does not matter much), also may lengthen the "measured" length of the boat if you're concerned with that (for moorage measurements, etc), and would it be completely safe in really really bad wind/seas?   Right now Oasis has a third tiny tank (matches the others) on the rail, connected directly to the BBQ only.  The tank is lashed to the davit post.   It would be a stretch to put a 20# tank there I think.  A 20# tank weighs 20# plus the weight of the tank itself, whatever that is (15 lb or so, depending on type), so presume 40# total, worst case.

 

The drain from the existing locker does plug up but that's only because they don't have a good screen arrangement.   Oasis doesn't have a screen on the locker lid (just an open hole) and there is no screen on the thru-hull.   Sometimes I find it is plugged up with bird feathers and leaves.  Also the way the thru-hull exits the hull is with a 90 degree elbow which easily causes blockage, I think a 45 degree would be better.   All this could be fixed relatively easily to eliminate the problem.  So moving the tank just because of this problem is kind of overkill if there is a simpler way to fix it.

 

It would be better to locate the tank with easier topside access, then the propane tank will get closed off more frequently (rather than left open because it's a hassle).  In the current place, it's okay, not great.  If I have the cockpit cushions out, then it's a pain, because the cushions have to be rearranged to lift the locker lid.   Having the tank right outside the companionway would be easiest to allow easy access but there are other drawbacks to putting it there.

 

About the type of tank, aluminum or fiberglass?   If fiberglass, then I think it also needs a cover to keep out UV for best lifetime.

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I wouldn't worry about propane getting into the boat from the deck so much I don't think.. It would run down the scuppers in the foot well or on deck I would think. Also any breeze or wind would disperse it.

 

I don't like our current propane lockers though.. not so much for location (that is fine) but for the fact that any water on deck drains down through them. I have more than once found the drain clogged up and water filling the propane locker above the level of the regulator and valves... that is rough on those things and they are expensive to replace. Any water coming on deck sailing is even worse it will fill all the way up faster than that tiny drain can drain it. Salt water (even worse than rain water on the valves and regulator.) Just a bad design in my opinion. I have thought about how to make it more water resistant but its another cut and slash and build up new fiberglass lips with a drain integrated sorta thing that I don't want to do.

 

Oh the joys of boat ownership 🙂 lol

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All good comments....
In case some are interested....2 4.5 lb. bottles fit nicely in the DE32 locker.
I bought the one on the right at Lowes...$45
It's made by Worthington. Sold by Campmate.
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Looks like Down East really struggled with the propane tank storage issue.

 

I have yet another arrangement.  My Locker is Port side, adjacent to the pedestal, but it's dimensions are very different than those I've seen so far....   The compartment is 21" x 21" x 12" deep ( inside ), currently, I have one 10 lb alum. horizontal marine tank ( Manchester Tank) that was bought new in 2000 ( it was $ 192.74).  I have no clue as to what the original tank looked like, although my owners manual reports it to be a 3 gallon tank.  

 

The Manchester tank is 10 3/8 in diameter, 16 11/16 long.  The numbers say a second 10 lb tank would go in the locker, but looking at it in person, I have my doubts. 

 

I'm sure there is something I can do to improve this situation, I just haven't decided on what yet.  [Image Can Not Be Found]

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Bummer I think my previous post was lost. 

 

Fiberglass tanks 

 "Hexagon Ragasco is present in North America with the brand name Viking Cylinders."

 

http://www.hexagonragasco.com/…..C5CD06.jpg

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Above Viking tank is "17-pound vapor $139.99"   "The 17-pound vapor cylinder is the best replacement for a traditional 20-pound steel tank—it weighs more than 50 percent less and holds 26 percent more propane"  

Dimensions 18.1" x 12" compared with DE32 locker 19" L x 9 1/4" W x 14" D, so will not fit without a hacksaw.

 

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SPECIFICATIONS 5 KG 7,5 KG 8,2 KG 10 KG 14 KG
Propane Capacity 5,0 kg 7,5 kg 8,2 kg 10,0 kg 14,0 kg
Butane Capacity 6,0 kg 8,5 kg 10,0 kg 12,0 kg 16,5 kg
Tare weight * 3,6 kg 4,2 kg 4,8 kg 5,1 kg 7,9 kg
Water content 12,5 L 18,2 L 20,6 L 24,5 L 33,5 L
Height  400 mm 461 mm 500 mm 587 mm 720 mm
Diameter  306 mm 306 mm 306 mm 306 mm 306 mm
 

 

English units

 

SPECIFICATIONS 11 LBS 17 LBS 22 LBS 31 LBS
Propane Capacity 11 lbs 17 lbs 22 lbs 31 lbs
Butane Capacity 13.2 lbs 18.7 lbs 26 lbs 37 lbs
Tare weight * 7.84 lbs 9 lbs 11 lbs 16.5 lbs
Water capacity 27.5 lbs 40.4 lbs 53 lbs 75 lbs
Height 15.24 in 18.1 in 22.5 in 28.3 in
Diameter 12 in 12 in 12 in 12 in
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Jonathan Oasis said:

  "The 17-pound vapor cylinder is the best replacement for a traditional 20-pound steel tank—it weighs more than 50 percent less and holds 26 percent more propane" 

I'm confused... it holds 17 lbs of propane but has 26 % more capacity than a steel tank that holds 20 lbs.... rofl... i think their marketing people took a vacation from reality 🙂 talk about puffery!

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SoloBob said:

Looks like Down East really struggled with the propane tank storage issue.

 

I would guess that, at that time, propane was still not everyone's favorite choice.  Alcohol, kerosine, etc still had fans.  So maybe the designers figured they would throw the choice for final arrangement back at the end user.   It seems there are some who still swear by alcohol though to me it sounds completely nuts (too prone to accident).

 

One other thing about the propane locker, ideally there would be room for a solenoid bypass valve.  The solenoid uses, what, 1.5A - 2A to open?  That's a lot of juice to waste if something is in the oven, etc.  And if batteries are dead..?   The bypass valve setups I have seen (only two, so far) were rather large, need some room for piping and room to manage the throw.

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my solenoid only burns about .5-1 amps but if you leave it on it adds up.. I have a manual timer that I haven't installed yet that goes from 5 min to 4 hours and I can put inline in the solenoid circuit. So I can leave the circuit on all the time and just turn the timer when I want to energize it. That way If I forget to turn it off it will automatically shut off when the timer expires. I know you are supposed to turn it off without fail every time but it's amazing how in real life you busy running around get stuff off the stove and turn the burners off but forget to reach that 2 ft to hit the solenoid power. 24 hours later you have pulled 12 to 24 amp hours out of your batteries not to mention the safety aspects.

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