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A Jibe with a Club Footed Jib
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jimha
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August 6, 2019 - 12:18 pm
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Have really enjoyed the versatility of sailing with a club footed jib on my  DE38.  Would never get rid of it.  While cruising down wind with the sails in a wing and wing configuration, and with both the jib and main vanged out so that they can not jibe, I have tried to get a little greedy and raise my stay-sail.  If I put the stay-sail on the same side as the main, I can get an extra 1/4 to 1/2 knot .  The problem is that I get tired of holding the club to prevent it from jibing.  Have tried tying the club down, but just can't seem to get the angles right to prevent a jibe from happening  from the roll of the boat.  Any ideas????

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August 6, 2019 - 4:45 pm
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You've got fairly small angles with a sail out to both sides up there. a few degrees port or starboard and the sail on that side wants to jibe. If your wanting trouble free then just one sail downwind up there is going to be the answer. I keep thinking of a real strong bungee arrangement on the stay sail boom but I think that is actually dangerous. I can see the bungee breaking and the boom moving really fast and ripping stuff out of the deck. Pieces of bungee and attachment being thrown at lethal speeds etc.. Or bungee doesn't break and attachment points do. Same story. I would probably do it in under 10 knots but not any stronger winds than that. Now with enough crew that you can dedicate different people to handle the different sails it might be fun. Still a good gust to any of the sails and the amount of force even on the smaller stay sail is insane.

 

I have run a lot with jib and stay sail out opposite each other. Even set a pole up on the jib to hold it out. In lighter winds it works well. Any seas at all and it gets a bit of adrenaline running and visions of broken bits as the pole and jib look to go into a wave with the rocking of the boat. Flat water and low winds and I will play all day long with it. Any seas at all and poles come down and I play it safer.

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August 9, 2019 - 2:43 pm
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Hi Scott, thanks for the reply.  What I'm interested in is how to keep that club from swinging around.  As far as using a pole on the jib, I use it most of the time while going off the wind, even in 40 knot wind.  I must explain.  The hank on jib is 80% with a high cut clew.  The pole is rigged like a spinnaker pole, that is with a topping lift,fore-guy , and after-guy.   Because the sail is hanked onto the fore-stay, if the wind picks up and I have to reef, all I have to do is let go the halyard and the sail just slides down and just hangs there like an old drape with the clew about 10 feet above the water.  The wire rope halyard will find it's comfort spot and just sit there.  So easy it makes up for all the work of having hanks on the jib.  Not sure it would work with roller furling but I think it would as the pole would just stay there after the sail is rolled and the sheet is still hanging out at the end of the pole.  I must say that it looks weird  but works well and is a lot easier then putting another reef in the main.

My favorite way of sailing at nite was a reefed main and the 80% jib on a pole if possible.  The boat was comfortable, and I was prepared for a squall. 

Cheers and beers,

Jim

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