Hi all,
Just joined and looking for some advice from the experts. My partner and I are looking at a 32 and 38 this weekend on the West Coast. The use for our boat will be cruising around the bay and some southern destinations. We are moderately experienced and cruise every year for 2 weeks in the Northwest. We are leaning toward the 32 but we usually cruise on 38 to 42 footers. Our boat would also be used as a liveaboard for up to a year at a time. We are pretty good at mechanical, electrical and cosmetic repairs and are really impressed with looks, build quality and sailing characteristics.
Questions:
Best for a liveaboard
Ongoing maintenance requirements
Handling in the slips
Any other thing you want to add!
Thanks in advance,
Mark and Allan
Best for liveaboard: DE38
more space is more comfortable when living aboard
Ongoing maintenance requirements: DE32
going for a 32 to a 38 almost doubles the surface area and cubic volume of the hull. Everything takes more time and effort other than core systems such as engine, electrical, fridge, etc that are the same regardless of boat size. Ground tackle is much larger and more expensive.
Handling in the slips: DE32
with greater size comes greater weight which is harder to manhandle coming in and out of a slip. For two people a DE38 is doable but a 32 would be easier.
I have always had to have someone onboard to bring our DE38 in or out of the slip. With a little modification so that we had a midship cleat I think I could bring it in singlehandedly but if anything went wrong it wouldn't be pretty. I have handled 32 ft boats before though not a DE32 and most of them would have been ok single handing them in and out of the dock. With someone else on the boat they were downright easy. With the DE38 it is a massive increase in length and mass with the mass being the critical component. It doesn't accelerate or stop as quick and if you hit the dock hard with a larger boat it is HARD.
If I was by myself I would be happy with a DE32. Living with others I would want the DE38. At 6'2" inches the headroom in the DE38 is also a huge bonus for me. I don't have to duck anywhere in the boat.
Conversely the maintenance on the DE38 has been more expensive than I like and a massive amount more labor than my other smaller boats.
So make of it what you want it comes down to a couple things.. One are you doing your own maintenance .. If so how much time and energy do you have.
Two how comfortable are you with a 20,000 lb full keel boat in close quarters. Out on the water I don't think there is much difference other than the size of the sails and ground tackle. They are boat the same layout with the same controls and rigging.
If you are a larger person the DE38 hands down wins for living aboard but if your under 6ft tall then that might not make as much difference for two people.
Scott,
Thanks for the comprehensive reply, I really appreciate it. We have chartered 42 footers with a 20,000 lb displacement but it had a fin keel and I certainly understand the issue with docking a full keel 38. That will part of the sea trial if it goes that far and we will live with it for the room. Interesting comment on the difference in upkeep but I am basically retired and have the time to putter. I actually am looking forward to doing it! I have read the notes on here as what problem areas to look for but do you have any suggestions on what are dealbreakers on an initial inspection on the Downeasters? We will get a survey but it would be nice to find a no go on our inspection.
Thanks again,
Mark
Lots of soft spots in deck I might pass on. not that they aren't fairly easy to fix but it is a lot of time and effort. issues with compression post are a bit of a pain though several have dealt with it and done it with innovative fixes. Engine is obvious one. Is your goal to go places or work on the boat. If go places then find one in excellent shape with lots of installed systems. If your on a budget and have to settle for fixer upper then look at stuff that you can afford to fix in a reasonable time frame and price.
Honestly they are old boats and no matter what your going to have some maintenance and probably some remedial maintenance somewhere. Expect to pay 45 to 60 for a mint DE38 with all new equipment or 100 percent maintained an looking sharp. Average shape with everything working probably mid 30's. Some fixing up low 30's to mid 20's .. bargain basement fixer up as in rough shape probably 15 to 20. Installed equipment will push that up some depending on what it is. for example our boat has just a 500 watts of solar which would push price up several thousand. We also are using a temp fuel tank till we fix the normal tank which would push price down a 1000 dollars. Maybe look at a 40,000 grand average for a decent boat and then start subtracting for cost of repairing stuff.
Well, I looked at both the 38 and 32. The 38 had good bones but there would be a lot of TLC and upgrades as the owner only uses it as a hotel room in Bodega Bay. There virtually have been no real effort, besides hauling out and bottom painting in the last 3 years, to maintain it as a sailboat. They are asking 40K which is way too much for what I have seen.
The 32 was in good to great shape, a lot of upgrades an engine change and used for sailing. The only thing I would do is to add a dodger and bimini. It is a great deal at 23K but it may be a little too small for
what I am going to use it for. Conundrums, alway decisions. Scott, thanks for the advice and help and I will sit down to figure it out.
Mark
There are more boats out there. 🙂 if you were on the east coast I would say take a look out our DE38.. she is a bit of a fixer upper. We did a lot of stuff to her but other stuff still needs to be done. However right now we have the price set at a firm 26,000 due to those issues. If she doesn't sell in the next few months while I start addressing those issues I will bump the price back up as I get some work done on her. I have to say though that once a DE is on the market they seem to be selling pretty fast now. A few years ago they might take 6 months to a year to sell. Now I have been seeing them going in under 3 months, some even quicker than that.
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