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I am new to cutters and I would like to make sure my staysail boom is correctly fastened and rigged on my DE38. Is there photo's or pics anywhere that show how it is set-up on both ends?
Also,I guess when tacking,one must get creative to get the jib around the staysail? My jib has a furler,so maybe just furl it up a bit,move it over and unfurl it on the other side?
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Tacking can be a bit of an exercise if it hangs up. However with practice it wont happen often. You kinda wait to just the right moment to release and let it slide through. You also can't have bulky knots or other stuff attaching the sheets to the jib as they can hang on the stay sail stay. I would use eyes on the ends of the sheets and a soft shackle to attach it with.
pictures.. hmmm.. this is all I have at a quick glance. The picture of the end of the boom shows the out haul tied off at the end of the boom and running to the sail, back to the block and then forward to a cleat you can't see. It only gives you a 2 to 1 purchase which is ok in light airs but I plan on figuring something else out at some point. However this has worked since the boat was new so it isn't bad just not as good as I would like it. 🙂 If I can I will take the cover off and raise the stay sail and get a few pictures of it all hoisted. However It might be a few days . This week is going to be pretty busy for me.
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Thanks Scott. This is exactly what I needed !!!
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great 🙂 glad it was.. it was going to be a few days before I could do better 🙂
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Scott Carle said:
great 🙂 glad it was.. it was going to be a few days before I could do better 🙂
Hey Scott! Any chance you could snap a few pics with the stays'l up? When I hoist mine I can't seem to get the luff tight...I maybe be missing some hanks or have the reefing configured wrong. I just don't know where to begin?
"The only thing that works on an old sailboat....is the owner!"
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hmm.. I'm probably not going to be able to get you pics in any reasonable time frame. We aren't living on the boat right now and I am not getting down to her very often lately.
It's pretty simple though. In the second post here you can see the tack where it is shackled to the fitting at the base of the staysail stay. I have bronze snap hanks every 24 inches or so on the luff. Getting it tight is just a matter of cranking down on the staysail halyard
ok.. I found a few pictures of Valkyr with all sails up from many years ago when angela owned her that I took. It's not real detailed but hopefully will help.
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Thanks Scott. Your rag looks a bit different than mine. I have a weird eyelet about 1/3 of the way up the luff - perhaps a secondary reefing tack? It's not hanked on, nor do any reefing lines run through it. As it is, the staysail just spills all the wind out whenever I try to raise it.
I'll be decommissioning the rig this weekend to prepare for mast/spar painting so I can post some of the reference pics for reassembly.
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if it's what I think it is, then that eye is a reefing eye in which a line run from the tack goes up and back down to the tack and then to a cleat on the boom or something to pull the sail down and form a new tack. You would have something you would use on the leech of the sail also. Lots of ways to set it up from separate lines, hooks, etc... same as there are a lot of ways to reef a main.
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It's harder to tack in light wind because the wind can't push the sail through the stays. In heavier wind, however, it should go right through. My flag halyard cleats on the shrouds always hang up the jib sheets as well. Moving those to the mast is on my todo list.
Check out this video:
You can see that the wind will push the sail right through those stays.
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Sorry for the novice question, but my staysail is hanked on and I was wondering if people just flake it down and cover it when not in use or do they fold it up and stowe it away until needed?
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ours stays flaked over the staysail boom all the time under a sail cover.
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Thanks, Scott.
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Your welcome... I have a little time to expand on my answer right now.......
So if its hanked you have three options..
1 remove every time... real pain if your cruising... a lot more work..
2 if you don't have a boom and run it loose footed like a jib, you can bag it on deck still attached like some do with a hanked jib. I suppose you could do that on the boom also but not sure I would like that.
3 is to just flake it and tie it on boom and cover with sail cover just like a mainsail. This has worked well the 8 years or more that I have sailed on or owned valkyr. The only downside is taking the cover on and off and flaking the sail on the boom and tying it down. During huricanes we don't take sails off staysail or mainsail.. we lash sails to the booms really well and then drop the boom end to deck and lash it to the hand rails. If it was cat 4 or better I would probably strip them off and store below, and take the booms all the way off and lash them flat to deck against the handrails.
I am planning on putting roller furling on the staysail and converting my staysail to use that. Someone is giving me a old cdi furler that they took off their jib that I think I can cut down in length to fit on valkyr's staysail stay.
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I think I'll flake it and tie to the boom. My jib is off right now. How easy are they to sail with just the staysail and the main.?
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Actually really easy.. just a matter of turning the wheel.... the staysail is self tending as well as the mainsail if you mostly center them. You lose a lot of power without the jib though.. However in 8 to 10 knots I have sailed dead into the wind against a 2 to 3 knot currant when sailing into the cape fear inlet and slowly beat upwind touching nothing but the wheel... took us a hour and a half to go 2 NM since we were into the wind and against the tide but we did steady progress just tacking back and forth into the inlet and up the river. I had people sprawled all over the deck just being lazy and I wasn't much better just sitting at the helm steering once in a while.
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We typically only sail with the main and staysail unless we are actually going somewhere. Much easier to tack. We put a roller furler on the head stay and got a new yankee jib, so that might mean we deploy the jib more often. Still, if we are tacking a lot, it's main and staysail unless the wind is light and current is against us.
You can also point a bit higher with main and staysail only. If the wind is up, this is the best way to point. You'll sail flatter so there's less leeway and if the wind is anywhere north of 15 kts or so, you'll have plenty of power in most situations.
I really like the club footed staysail arrangement. You can flatten the sail nicely with the outhaul and off the wind you can do some creative things with the sail and boom. I'm having a new staysail made this winter and I'm having a reef point put in. It will be interesting figuring out how to rig that up.
-Argyle
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we have a reef in ours but it's not even rigged to use.. Never have had the need. I would think the winds would be in the 40+ knots before you needed to. It would work just like standard reefing on a main.. grommets in the luff and clew about 25% up the sail. It would use lines run from boom up to grommets and back down to boom to tie off Maybe into the boom with a mechanical advantage system inside boom so you can do it by hand. We don't have a winch or anything on the boom up there for the out haul either.
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