Downeaster Yachts.com - Forum: Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running Simple:Press Version 5.6.7 mgav451 on Me again...... Anyone know the thickness of the aluminium used in their spreader replacement? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/me-again-anyone-know-the-thickness-of-the-aluminium-used-in-their-spreader-replacement#p3745 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/me-again-anyone-know-the-thickness-of-the-aluminium-used-in-their-spreader-replacement#p3745  Sorry for so many posts. I'm in high gear and the multiple 90% finished projects I've been doing are all coming to an end soon I got alot going on and alot of question. So all the knowledge and experience here is great. I'm taking my spreaders to an alu weld shop tommorow. Any one have any ideas how thick the aluminium should be?

]]> Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:03:36 -0400 mgav451 on Any one have a furler on their staysail I'm wondering where to place the Genoa cars.cant seen a few pics but looking for experiences with it. http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3556 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3556 Sounds like the ticket!

]]> Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:36:49 -0400 Scott Carle on Any one have a furler on their staysail I'm wondering where to place the Genoa cars.cant seen a few pics but looking for experiences with it. http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3555 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3555 Instead of attaching at deck level your furler would sit above the attachment point of the boom. Your sail would be attached in a loose footed manner to end of boom. I'm pretty sure that will work.

Scott

]]> Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:03:10 -0400 mgav451 on Any one have a furler on their staysail I'm wondering where to place the Genoa cars.cant seen a few pics but looking for experiences with it. http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3554 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3554 Yes and yes I didn't realize I could have the self tacker and the furler on at the same time that sounds like a great idea. My boom is attached to the stay it's not the independent type of foot that attaches to the deck. I like what your suggesting if I'm understanding  you correctly. But I'm a little confused. Your saying I put the furler on and and keep the self tender?it is nice to have I was planning on storing a dinghy there though. I'll have to get back to my thinking station and figure out something as you suggested...any one have pics of a furler set up on the staysail on a 32 with the self tender? Also any dinghy brands with storage options....p.s. ordering nfm 8x22 bronze ports to replace the big windows...I'll post some pics of that project too.  

]]> Thu, 26 Jul 2018 12:38:33 -0400 Scott Carle on Any one have a furler on their staysail I'm wondering where to place the Genoa cars.cant seen a few pics but looking for experiences with it. http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3553 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3553 Are you sure you want to do that? On of the best things about this boat is the self tacking staysail. You can still use the roller furling on it but don't change out from the current self tending block arrangement to jib tracks that you have to manage during a tack. The most I would do is maybe go to a travelor like on a main that gives you the ability to trim with it but get a windward version that allows self tacking.

As to the roller furling, just have again set up like you would on a mainsail. You clew line goes to the end of the boom and back to the end of the boom at the stay sail before going to block on deck that then runs back to cabin top in cockpit. Or you could route it to port or starboard. maybe on opposite side from jib furling lines. You should be able to use the existing boom even. Just change out some fittings on the end to match the new configuration.

When your beat up and really tired you can furl the jib, reef the main and still use the full stay sail. At this point you don't have to do anything but turn the steering wheel to sail and sit at the helm. It makes for a great lazy day sailing or even give you some breathing space if you sailing her short handed in friskier conditions 🙂 I have spent the after noon in under 10 knots with my deck covered in lazy people doing nothing but steering and hanging out. Upwind and downwind. Did I get the best performance? Not even close! But I had a beautiful day on the water and didn't have to worry about a bunch of sailing liabilities causing an issue while we all chilled and went up and down the cape fear inlet. I think I trimmed the main with the traveler once or twice that day. 🙂
Scott

]]> Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:38:59 -0400 mgav451 on Any one have a furler on their staysail I'm wondering where to place the Genoa cars.cant seen a few pics but looking for experiences with it. http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3552 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/any-one-have-a-furler-on-their-staysail-im-wondering-where-to-place-the-genoa-cars-cant-seen-a-few-pics-but-looking-for-experiences-with-it#p3552 It's me again!! Thanks for all the help and advice this far. A little about what and why I'm doing what I'm doing. I've replaced most of the headliner I'm at the point where I'm trimming it out in teak. I've also bought a harken roller furling unit to replace the profurl on my headsail. This winter I'm going to remove the wooden bowsprit replace it with a stainless one and put the harken unit on the sprit. I'll have the profurl unit that still works left over and I was considering putting it in place of the self tending boom. Before I finish The headliner I wanted to put the travelers and cars on deck so in the future if I decide to put the furler on the staysail I won't need to rip down the headliner. Does any one have recommendations pictures or experiences with the placement/size/location?

]]> Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:30:10 -0400 bobmcd625 on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3403 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3403 I am sure you are right.  I probably should bite the proverbial bullet and change out all of them, especially the main sheet.  Thanks for your insights.

Bob

]]> Sat, 02 Sep 2017 22:35:42 -0400 Scott Carle on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3402 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3402 we no longer are using any of the wood faced blocks. The modern versions such as Garhaur perform much much better. we saw a 60+ percent drop in friction through the blocks going to a larger sheave with bearings and probably double the break strength.

]]> Fri, 01 Sep 2017 13:54:02 -0400 bobmcd625 on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3401 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3401 Having thought about this for a while now I think that a "modern" boom vang would be the best, even if the style is a bit out of character.  Garhaur is clearly the best choice.  Very reasonable for excellent quality.  Thanks for your help, Scott.

BobWink

]]> Fri, 01 Sep 2017 13:17:18 -0400 bobmcd625 on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3400 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3400 I had the crazy thought during the night that maybe I should look for some old wooden blocks to make up the vang!  All the other blocks on the boat are wood faced. Having several of these fancy new SS fiddle blocks might not look good!  Of course one has to be sure of the strength of the "system" and with old blocks that might be nearly impossible (except by trial and error).  Just a thought!

Cheers

BobWink

]]> Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:35:09 -0400 bobmcd625 on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3399 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3399 Thanks for all that work, Scott.  And thanks for the reference to Garhauer.  I just ordered a pole support for my radar from them.  I have not received it yet, but the specs look very good and a very reasonable price.  I'll check on their boom vangs now.

All the best

Bob

]]> Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:58:45 -0400 Scott Carle on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3398 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3398 I have re-edited my initial post to fix links.. for some reason the way defender makes links for the direct product I can not get it to save correctly. I just created a like to their website and you will have to search from there. I put in links to the products on the Schaefer website. While doing this I remembered Garhauer and looked on their site. You can purchase one of three different model boom vangs suitable for the DE38 from their website directly for 175 dollars. They make and sell directly their hardware and have incredible quality products. I have started to purchase their hardware more and more over the years and been impressed with it every time. The link to the boomvangs has been added to the original post I made.

]]> Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:45:56 -0400 bobmcd625 on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3397 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3397 Scott.  Would you mind re-posting that link to Defender?  It did not work for me.

I think I know what you are looking at but just want to be sure. It looks like the Shaefer Series 7 blocks would be the right size.  Agreed?

I am learning some new terms like fiddles and beckets!  Interesting.

As to the bails, I am thinking that they should be screwed into the widest points on the boom/mast to get the screws in shear.  If the mast were off the boat I could through bolt the bail, but since it is mounted on the deck I'll have to use self tapping screws.  (or should I drill and tap larger onesWink?)  

Comments/advice please.

Bob

]]> Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:24:40 -0400 bobmcd625 on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3396 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3396 Thanks, Scott, that was the technical info I was looking for.  

There are several "slightly used" on eBay, too, and yes, I need bales for the boom and the mast.  

I'll also have to rig up some outboard attachment points so I can use this as a preventer now and then.

Appreciate your help, as always.

BobSmile

]]> Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:30:39 -0400 Scott Carle on Boom Vang for DE38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3395 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/boom-vang-for-de38#p3395 So, i would say 3/8 inch line and blocks that can stand a couple thousand pounds force.

 

to give an example here is a schaefer boom vang kit for our size boat

https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=145_168&products_id=3511&zenid=s2m9tqijcfka51k0bu3vvtoh63

https://hardware.schaefermarine.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=147_128

 

The price on schaefers website is significantly more than on defender where I posted the first link.. however for some reason I could not get that link to post correctly so you will need to go to http://www.defender.com and just search for boom vang kit and then find it there.

 

I have purchased garhauer hardware for my boat and found it to be a fraction of the cost of the other name brands and absolutely stellar quality

here are some of their boom vang setups directly from them https://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=38 just look for the ones that have a 2800 lb working load. all of them are under 200 dollars ... they also have some decent bails.. Honestly I would give them a call and discuss your installation and what bail to use and how to attach it. I think that using screws to install it would not work well but that your going to need to get a bolt that goes through.. however all my boats already had it installed and I haven't taken one apart that I remember so I'm not going to be absolute about this. They have been very helpful over the phone when I called them before.

I think you could piece it together for a lot less than their price though. If you don't already have attachment points on mast and boom you need to figure in those.

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