Downeaster Yachts.com - Topic: Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38 Simple:Press Version 5.6.7 Scott Carle on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p2012 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p2012 nice light air sail 🙂

]]> Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:23:42 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p2008 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p2008 That is one huge jib. I think my existing tracks would work with it. I have a pretty big jib in storage. Maybe it will work for me after all.

]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:39:40 -0400 Dougm on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p2007 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p2007 It's a pretty big sail, not sure of the % designation.  It's what came with the boat, and probably isn't original to the boat.  Actually it is long overdue for replacement, but I have to scratch some funds up for that.  You can get a good idea of the size, and the lead to the jib track, in the picture.

 

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]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:30:07 -0400 Scott Carle on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1991 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1991 thats interesting.. Your jib looks like it almost comes back to the aft cabin face at the companionway. That is much larger than our jib. Ours only comes back to about the aft lowers on our boat if I am picturing it right (um maybe 6 or 7 feet of overlap of the mast?). sigh now I can picture ours in my head. lol.. been to long since we have sailed her.

You would have to have a track farther back like that with such a large sail. is that a 150/160?

 

our track overlaps where the cap rail changes height. I would have moved it to the cap rail already if it didn't cross that area... I have though about having a forward one and a aft track on the caprail but what we have works and I have more import stuff to do first. Hate stubbing my toes on the one on deck all the time though. 🙂

]]> Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:02:50 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1987 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1987 Interesting. That's basically the same track as I have, but located about 4 or 5 feet further forward.

]]> Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:50:00 -0400 Dougm on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1986 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1986 Here's what Perelandra's jib sheet arrangement looks like.  Photo taken on Saturday afternoon [Image Can Not Be Found], close-hauled and headed towards Halfway Rock off of Marblehead (MA).

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]]> Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:32:50 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1985 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1985 I'll try to find the PO's contact info. 

There's a Mariner 40 near me that's amazingly close to a DE 38. It's got a similar arrangement as well. 

]]> Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:39:05 -0400 Scott Carle on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1984 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1984 I have seen blocks back where your aft tracks are for spinnaker sheets and the sheet did almost a 180, running back forward to a winch. or on smaller boats they just had a ratcheting friction block on them and the line could be hand held.

I would bet on the forward located eyes being for the jib sheets. Though it does make a little difference in trimming our jib, our track is only about 3 ft long if that and a block located about center of it would handle sailing just fine... with a barber hauler? you could emulate all the functions of a longer track for the jib sheets. I have actually thought about doing something like that. I hate the jib track and block where they are on the side decks.. we are constantly stubbing our toes on the blocks. It is narrow there already and it really gets in the way of moving forward or aft.

 

can you not talk to the prior owners and get advice on how they used her?

]]> Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:41:15 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1983 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1983 Thanks Scott. Once again you've been of great help! 

 

I can see that the jib sheet blocks are indeed located pretty far back on the DE 38's. Even the one with the track has the track about where mine are located. And the one pic showing the block over the gunnel is about where my big eye's are located on the caprails.

I found several very nice snatch blocks in one of the lockers and now I think I know what they're for on this boat. 

]]> Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:55:17 -0400 Scott Carle on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1982 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1982 here are a few pictures of DE38's That show winches and sheet arrangements. Hope they help… Not what the pictures were taken for but they do mostly show were stuff is. 🙂

 

in this picture you can see the winch behind the line hanging on the pushpit there on port and just barely see  in the lower left corner of picture the block sticking up over the top of gunnel, also you can see the main sheet and main sheet traveler at the transom.

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Both sheet winches show in this picture from aft of this boat.

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you can see the entire jib car and block on its track in this picture.

 

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again here you can just see the starboard side block sticking up over the gunnel with the jib sheet running outboard to it while at the dock.

 

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]]> Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:43:32 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1981 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1981 I don't know why, but I have 3 of those big eyes mounted about every 4 feet along the starboard cap rail and just one located about midship on the port side?

The winches are located on the cap rails about a foot back from where the cabin corners are located. So, they're just out of the pic above...to the right. 

 

I wish I could see how some DE 38's are set-up to get an idea of what missing on mine or what I'm not seeing!

]]> Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:58:28 -0400 Scott Carle on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1980 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1980 wow.. totally different than my boat.. where are your jib sheet winches?

if thats all you have on the boat then yes a block would go on the track for the jib sheet to go through. However I would bet that was for a spinnaker or very oversized jib for downwind. It is a totally unsuitable location for controlling a jib going to windward. Your jib sheet needs to pull down on the jib about as much as it pulls back on the jib. In that location all the force would be pulling it aft which would be letting the top of the jib luff off and dump air. IE very poor sail shape. Do you have a places port and starboard on the side decks or cap rail that have some big honking eyes you could attach blocks to? If so I would bet on those for running jib sheets. Though I don't see any jib sheet winches so.... im confused.

 

other difference from our boat I see is our propane locker is hinged outboard not aft. Power inlet is the same. We don't have ladder there or cleat on bulwark. Our Winches sit above and aft of the power inlet but in front of where the coil of rope is.

]]> Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:34:12 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1979 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1979 [Image Can Not Be Found]Here's a pic of the port side track. This is all I have on the boat. Well, on both sides of the boat, that is.

Does the jib sheet go through a block that's attached to this track?

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]]> Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:31:35 -0400 Scott Carle on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1977 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1977 um... on most stock boats there are only one set of tracks. the ones up beside the aft end of the cabin on the deck. They are for the jib sheets. If you have tracks on the aft deck behind there then they are probably for a spinnaker or as a second set of jib  tracks when off the wind with a big 150 jib.

 

Now there is a track on our boat that runs port to starboard on deck at the transom. It is for the traveler and the end boom mainsheet.

]]> Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:25:19 -0400 CAE on Jib trim on a DE 38? http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1976 Sails and Rigging- Standing and Running http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/sails-and-rigging-standing-and-running/jib-trim-on-a-de-38#p1976 This is going to sound like a silly question, but having never sailed my boat, are the tracks for the jib blocks the one's located near the stern?  I've never sailed a cutter, only sloops. The jib block tracks are about mid boat. What am I missing?

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