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        	<title>Scott Carle on Hard Dodger for Valkyr</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>An interesting side note to using luan/underlayment from home depot/lowes. I had an offcut from before I treated it with epoxy to seal it laying around on deck. It has been out in the weather for months now and hasn&#039;t delaminated  or warped at all. I think that sometimes they get in lots of this stuff that is mostly marine grade but it&#039;s not a sure thing. A lot of what I looked at was obviously cheap crap. The stuff I bought actually looked as if it was higher quality with what looked like 5 lamination&#039;s and no edge voids. It also just felt more quality to the touch. The store had no clue as to the provenance of the wood and didn&#039;t seem to even know how to find out. So it was a leap of faith and a little judgement  as to the observed quality of the wood. I&#039;m glad that it seems to be working out. I purchased a 3/4 inch sheet of birch cabinet grade wood at the same time and a piece that I totally sealed the surface with penetrating epoxy before using it in the cockpit has totally delaminated.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:21:19 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>Scott Carle on Hard Dodger for Valkyr</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>So I test laid out the solar panels today on top of the dodger and was able to fit 13 of them on it. so 13x25=325 watts  of capacity on the dodger top. Then I am going to install one of the older 190 watt panels I bought over the dingy davits for a total on boat wattage of 515 watts. We are talking about embeding the other 125 watts of 25 watt panels into the deck forward.. not sure if that will happen though. Possibly we could install them on top of the bimini by sewing them to the fabric or maybe snapping them to it. </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:49:27 -0400</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmm I hadn&#039;t. However it would be really easy to do.. Just glue a layer of reflectix to the under side. With the dark solar panels glued to the top though I don&#039;t want to insulate the bottom 🙂 I need it to cool off the best it can. I guess I will just have to see how it does. Right now with just the clear epoxy and glass on the top so that it is the brown of the wood it doesn&#039;t seem to get hot underneath.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:37:36 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>Jonathan Oasis on Hard Dodger for Valkyr</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>My soft dodger cooks the cockpit to about +10 degrees over ambient on a very sunny day (it&#039;s blue sunbrella), so I&#039;m wondering if you&#039;ve considered insulating the underside of your dodger.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:38:58 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>Scott Carle on Hard Dodger for Valkyr</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>When I get a chance I would be glad to. I think I spent about 80 dollars on plywood from lowes. 5.2 mm luan underlayment. You need to be careful as sometimes it is good stuff and sometimes it is fairly low quality. Obviously its not as good as actually marine grade.</p>
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<p>10 dollars for some 5 minute epoxy to glue the sheets together once they were scarfed.</p>
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<p>7 dollars for 2 8ft 2x2s that I screwed the plyto on the scarfs to hold them together and keep them tight while the glue set.</p>
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<p>I used about 15 dollars worth of CPES penetrating epoxy on the top surface of the wood on the dodger to seal it. The two gallon kit was about 130 dollars or something like that.</p>
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<p>The supplies from Raka were in the neighboorhood of 260 or so? enough 9 oz fiberglass to cover top and bottom and a 3 gallon epoxy kit. Also mixing cups, stirring sticks and plastic expoxy spreaders to squeegee the epoxy into the fiberglass.</p>
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<p>so far that puts me at about about 360..</p>
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<p>the new solar panels I just ordered will be 350 more for 350 watts of thin film panels that will be glued to the top of the dodger and then laminated over with glass and optically clear resin.  This will turn the top of the dodger into a solar panel. The resin and fiberglass for that will run about 150 dollars more for a new total of about 860 dollars for the top of the dodger. 🙂 I got a hell of a deal to get thin film panels for 1 dollar a watt. I actually ordered 500 watts of them. I am thinking about imbedding some into the foredeck when I redo the nonskid.</p>
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<p>I&#039;m sure it is more. I used 30 1/4 inch stainless bolts and nuts to secure the top to the frame for another 34 dollars. Misc sand paper, brushes, etc... I still have to paint it white after all else is done and still have to fiberglass in a raised lip all around with drains at the corners. Not to mention the wire, soldering wire, and buss bars to tie 9 25 watt thin film solar panels together and run the current to the charge controller under the pilot berth.</p>
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<p>This dodger has become much more expensive than I initially thought it would. 🙁 Not that it is particuallarly expensive. It is actually a very good deal for what I am getting.) mostly because I sucked at estimating what it would cost to do what I wanted. I will have probably 3500 in everything by the time its done. Frame/top/solar/ etc... I still have to wire in some led lights both red and white, as well as sirius/xm antenna, usb gps antenna that runs to computer at chart table and other enhancements. mounts at forward end for redundant oil running lights and mount for brass ships bell if needed.</p>
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<p>lol I also forgot we plan on running isinglass/bug screen all the way around it.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:21:02 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>Jonathan Oasis on Hard Dodger for Valkyr</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Amazing, you were able to do all this work on the dock?</p>
<p>If you could post pics of your receipts showing all the supplies you used it would be great.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:20:55 -0400</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I should have known that everything was going to smoothly. I brought the solar panels I purchased a couple years ago and went to place them on the hard dodger and they are about 2 inches to wide to fit between the handrails. 🙁 what a bummer. So we now have two 205 watt solar panels for sale. 🙂 2 dollars a watt and the have a new home. I am now researching new panels that will fit in the actuall space on the dodger. Not sure how that slipped by us when we were designing it as holding the panels was one of the major reasons we built it. They do fit at the forward end but the aft end doesn&#039;t as the dodger follows the lines of the coach roof and gets narrower at the rear. I am now looking at the semi flexible panels that weight less and are only 2.5 mm thick. You can walk on them also.</p>
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<p>live and learn.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:50:55 -0400</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>So the hard dodger project moves forward. I scarfed 3 4x8 sheets of luan together to get a single piece of plywood 5.2 mm thick for the roof of the hard dodger. Once I bolted it down I used a router to trim it to the shape and size of the dodger frame.  This happened a month or so ago and then I got busy again and it wasn&#039;t till this week that I got out and started applying fiberglass to the top and bottom. I used 9 ounce fiberglass cloth on the top and bottom of the ply. It took 4 pieces 60 inchs wide by the 9 ft length of the top of the dodger. I over lapped the edges in the center by about 30 inches to give a highly reinforced strip up the center of the roof that should be walkable 🙂 18 ounces of fiberglass and epoxy both top and bottom. It should be noted that I scarfed the wood together in place on top of the framework and then fiberglassed the top, flipped the whole thing over and glassed the bottom and then flipped it back right side up. It was interesting to say the least. I was also working most of the time in a 5 to 10 knots of breeze and trying to keep the fiberglass laying flat as I worked the resin into it.</p>
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<p>Here is a picture of the last corner of the bottom to be glassed and you can see the wind catching the cloth and flipping it up. 🙂 inspite of the not ideal conditions I think it came out great. I&#039;m very happy with it, especially as it is the first fiberglassing project I have undertaken like this. I have done real small repairs before but no large scale construction projects.</p>
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<p>the finished bottom. you can see the slightly wavy line down the length of the roof that is where the two pieces of cloth overlap. I did my best to keep a straight line there but on a single piece of fiberglass 9 feet long that proved much more difficult than I anticipated. I used a squeegee to work the epoxy into the cloth and it would pull at the fabric as I did so. The whole top so far, both top and bottom has consumed about 1.7 gallons of epoxy I think. I have a 3 gallon kit of 2:1 epoxy and have used a little more than half so far. Where the bottom is so glossy is where I went pack and used a paint brush to fill in the weave of the already applied cloth and epoxy. The initial application of epoxy to the cloth was just enough to wet it out and leave no dry spots while using no extra. It left the weave of the cloth visible on the surface. After it tacked up and wasn&#039;t going anywhere I went back and filled in the weave to give a smooth surface. I haven&#039;t done this on the top yet as I still need to epoxy in solar panel mount rails and a lip around the whole top. After that is all done I will go back and paint it all with a layer of epoxy to fill the weave and then paint it all white.</p>
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<p>we waited about 4 hours for the resin to dry enough that it was no longer tacky and then flipped the roof right side up and put it back in position.</p>
<p>You will notice just behind the dodger a small bimini. This as last weeks project. We recycled the old dodger framework into a small bimini. I think it is going to work out very well. We made the fabric part out of a solution dyed polyester fabric called Top Notch.</p>
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<p>The stuff hanging out between the front of the top and the framework is just some wax paper. Once we flipped it over we found out that there was a section just in the center that was still tacky and we wanted it to not stick to the framework.</p>
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<p>The top at this point is starting to stiffen up significantly. I think that it will be strong enough to walk on for sure. If not I have some more glass and the rails for mounting the solar panels should make it much stronger also.</p>
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<p>Don&#039;t mind the mess 🙂 I have tools everywhere, sanders, chisels, drills, extension cords, etc... Ah the joys of doing major projects on a boat. Did I mention that we have been living on the boat while all this has been going on. 🙂 at least it is an outside project and hasn&#039;t bled into the interior of the boat. Other than a few drips of epoxy it has been a very clean project with little waste.  I think I have wasted about a cup and a half of epoxy if you add up all the remanents of resin that have hardened in the mixing containers and maybe two square feet of cloth that has been the overhanging part we trimmed off.</p>
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<p>Oh I found the secret to trimming the cloth is to take a sharp knife and just trim it off against the edge of the plywood once the resin gets hard but still a little pliable. don&#039;t let it get totally hard as it is almost impossible to trim off then unless you sand it down. So far I have totally avoided sanding epoxy or the fiberglass. 🙂 I know it can&#039;t continue but I have been really patient and meticulous trying to get it right the first time and not have to redo any of it.</p>
<p>I have to go get the solar panels tomorrow so that I can figure out where on the roof they will go so I can fabricate mounting rails out of wood and fiberglass.</p>
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<p>Until next time 🙂</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:02:20 -0400</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>lol.. I would love a pilot house version of this boat.. the rare DE41…We actually looked at one online that was for sale and drooled over it,however it was beyond our means.:)</p>
<p> We are planning on taking the old stainless dodger  frame and mounting it to the aft pulpit at teh sides so that it goes over the pilots seat. All we need then is to put a canvas cover on it and connect that to the aft end of the dodger 🙂 sorta pilothouse.</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:11:00 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting all the pics.  They are great.</p>
<p>Now if you&#039;d just lengthen it by about 4 feet you&#039;d have an excellent pilot house project 😀</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:51:01 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>glad to hear you got out. I am just dying to get valkyr away from the dock. I still haven&#039;t fixed the fuel tank 🙁 I think I&#039;m going to plumb in a portable tank till I fix the main one. 🙂</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:39:59 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott,</p>
<p>All is well, Amatheia had a fun summer and fall last, sailing north from the Columbia River and cruising around the San Juan Islands and the Puget Sound. She is berthed in Olympia, right at the southernmost part of the Sound and just 2 hours north from Portland by car. I&#039;m up there a lot and with spring coming on will do some exploring in that area.</p>
<p>And just as soon as I complained about the rain, presto, it stopped! We have a rare sunny weekend forecast and I took the opportunity to play hooky and take her out for a sail today, just gorgeous with Mt Rainier and the Olympic Mtns all white with snow and gleaming in the sun.</p>
<p>I&#039;m glad that fatherhood is going well for you AND you get to work on the boat too!</p>
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<p>Scott M.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:47:23 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Scott,</p>
<p>Last  year this time we had average temps in the 20&#039;s and 30&#039;s during the day and now in january we have had just a few cold days. Most days it seems it gets into the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s. Makes you worry about when the other shoe will drop.</p>
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<p>I think that your part of the country is absolutely beautiful, but im not sure I would survive constant rain. I would love to visit for a while up on the northern coastline there though. I was looking at the cost of getting valkyr there the other day. Ouch.. the panama canal fee now for small boats is almost 2000 dollars.</p>
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<p>So how is Amatheia coming along? I have been so busy with my daughter and life in general that I really haven&#039;t been keeping up with members websites and their boats. One day soon I plan on a whole day of scraping up new stories and getting a schedule of posts for the front page going again. I feel kinda bad that the site has been sitting static for so long.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:55:47 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful bedding job Scott, and a handsome dodger!</p>
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<p>Oh and I&#039;m a bit jealous when I think about boats in places where it doesn&#039;t rain every day 🙂</p>
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<p>Scott Maxwell</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:04:01 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Ok here are the pictures of bedding the pads on the legs on deck.</p>
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<p>First I covered the base of the mounting pad with the butyl. I comes on a roll about 3/4 inches wide and just less than 1/8th inch thick. Then I used on of the mounting bolt/screws and punched out the butyl over the holes.</p>
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<p>Then I took and rolled a small piece into a thin tube and wrapped it around the bolt just under the head. When inserted into the hole in the pad this will seal the screw head from water in the hole.</p>
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<p>You get the idea here. 🙂</p>
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<p>Then you take larger pieces of the butyl and create a cone shape on the base. These pieces will go into the countersunk portion of the holes through the deck. As you tighten it all down it will force this material into the threads of the bolt and form a sort of o-ring of butyl around the bolt to totally make it water proof.</p>
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<p>You can see here after tightening it a bit that the excess butyl is oozing out. The secret is to tighten all the bolts, wait a bit, tighten a little more and then wait a day or two and tighten it a little more as needed. You also need to have someone keeping the bolt from turning as you tighten. If the bolt turns it can tear the seal of butyl material you have created and create a leak.</p>
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<p>Another close up of a pad after the initial tightening. After I had all of them tightened up I went around with a knife and cut the butyl around them neatly and peeled up the excess. The next morning it had oozed more out around the edge of the pad. I will give it a few more days and then give another small tightening.  The butyl should stay flexible for in excess of 20 years. I can still work some of the original butyl on factory fittings in my hand and it will with a bit of heat from my hands become pliable again.</p>
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<p>The hard dodger feels incredibly strong and solid with it all bolted in.</p>
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