Downeaster Yachts.com - Topic: Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore Simple:Press Version 5.6.7 Scott Carle on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3445 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3445 Not sure of needed cross section for bowsprit in aluminum or steel off hand.

 

Cutter rig:

ok.. i have opinions on this. I love the DE38 cutter rig.. As designed it is like adding a turbo to the sail plan. Using the staysail vs not has a very noticeable impact on performance. We still have the boom. I have a love hate relationship with it. The self tending aspect is the love part. the impact on fordeck space is the hate. It does help to shape the sail. I have considered going to a boomless setup but would only try it temporarily to see how it handled before going to it totally.

The ability to just use the main and the staysail without the jib on some occasions is wonderfully lazy. No one but the guy at the helm needs to do anything when tacking. It all takes care of itself. You lose a lot of power without the jib, but the boat still handles well if slower. In stronger winds you will still get a decent amount of speed.

]]> Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:42:51 -0500 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3443 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3443 Any idea of what grade and size of aluminum people have used? I’m wrapping up the fiberglass work from inside. The mast is coming down and I’m gonna pull the sprit recore the foredeck. I’m gonna research grades of aluminum and make a decision,but if you knew off had it’ll save me some leg work. While we’re in the general area...I’ve never sailed a cutter rig, and the self tending jib seems really nice. Do Most dE owners keep the boom or remove it add tracks and use the room for dinghy storage? I assume it is great for sailing inshore and in waterways and such. I’m refitting for offshore and blue water passages. What’s your 2cents on self tending vs a roller and sail tracks?

]]> Mon, 06 Nov 2017 16:05:27 -0500 Scott Carle on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3442 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3442 Bowsprit:

Do stainless or aluminum. Mild steel is just another maintenance item that will have to be taken care of every 4 or 5 years to repaint due to rust. With the traffic your going to do over it walking up it and the anchor chain running over or alongside of it you will get a regular set if nicks and dings on it that will compromise the paint. Then rust. Aluminum is light and strong. Much stronger than the wood one.. Stainless is a tank and as easy to weld as mild steel so if thats your thing you could make it yourself.

Wood is still a good choice. They do last a long time if done right.

]]> Tue, 31 Oct 2017 08:26:24 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3441 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3441 P.s I’m in love with bronze how sweet would a bronze sprit be ?haha. I believe it’s about the same strength as 304ss and way more corrosion resistant. Probably not an option but would be cool to see

]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 17:04:23 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3440 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3440 Yes it’s not vynl it’s the fiberglass you speak of. Upon investigation seems the (I’ll refer to it as a liner) liner starts right where the underside of the catwalks are it has the ridges you see I have numbers for the slats to screw into. It then turned out 90degrees to create the shelf behind the settee and continues to form the settee and the sole to form the interior of the boat.They build the hull and drop in the tanks etc. and then place this liner over all that. Its fiberglassed to the hull in strategic locations to offer stiffness.When I was retabbing the bulk heads I noticed they weren’t tabbed into the hull liner. So I can only assume tying my knees and bulkheads into it isn’t 100%, but I hope it will offer some sort of stiffnes, even if only to eliminate hard spots..so I’m pulling the boat and stepping the mast at which time I have a few things on the agenda.

1 is to remove the old chainplates and get some bronze ones made from port town found. I’ll cut out the liner at that point and use the old plates as backing plates. And use the bronze outside..has any one had these made or an old stock set I could use?I’m looking for dimensions for possible copy ,and approx cost.

2 I’m trying to gather opinions as far as tabbing knees to the liner or if I “need” to cut that out. 

3 the bowsprit! I was looking at Gracie emit steel refit and I’m looking to duplicate it I didn’t see what grade of steel or what thickness. I’d like to explore my options from stainless steel, carbon steel,Douglass fir, or the original Sitka spruce(?).

P.s im not very good at navigating the forums, and the computer stuff so forgive me if this info is listed some where, but I didn’t see it.

]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 16:58:38 -0400 Scott Carle on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3439 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3439 ok so.. that is weird.. it looks like vinyl.... I have teak slats over a lot of the interior of the hull in areas like that, the vberth, starboard etc.. No liner like that, that I can tell. However a lot of areas have a second fiberglass section  of the interior with a nice surface of jellcoat a few inches in from the hull itself that creates an air gap. I have never taken down the teak layer to see how much of the interior is like that vs not. However my boat design is a bit different in that I have external chain plates from the factory vs the internal ones you have. I think sometime in the late 70's before my 79 boat they changed that part of the design at the factory. I know it is documented somewhere on the website with owners talking about it or an article about the boats back in the day.

]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 04:39:35 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3438 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3438 There's a liner inside the hull  the chain plates go through it and the hull. Not sure of this boat. But you know how they build the hulls and put a liner inside it? So the inside of the hull isnt actually the hull lots a liner... Ha ha I'm so bad at explanations. I haven't investigated if it's a full liner or just a liner behind the side shelves here's a pic where I have the slats numbers..15092350732791453902626.jpgImage Enlarger

]]> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 20:00:28 -0400 Scott Carle on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3437 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3437 I'm not sure I understand what you mean by hull liner? Maybe just having a slow day here 🙂

]]> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 18:49:00 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3436 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3436 So recorded with 1/2 core cell and 3 layers of 1708 while I was in there I reinforced the bulkhead tabbing with 17 oz biaxial. I cut knees to add about 3 inches of each chain plate. (I know I shoulda cut out the hull liner) but I've spoken to another owner who did the same with out cutting out the liner.heres some pics..any input on not removing the liner?KIMG0004.JPGImage Enlarger

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]]> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 18:15:18 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3435 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3435 . I removed the old 1/2 core on the cabin sides ( from the inside) I replaced it with 1/2 double cut corecell. The core cell is great stuff very easy to cut bevel and install.i took a sample piece with 2 layers of 1708 and west system epoxy it's suprisingly strong. I'm gonna add one more layer just to be sure. I beveled the inner skin and layered the 1708 smaller to larger successively. I'm happy with it. I did from the vee birth aft to the big windows. Using an angle grinder it takes minutes to cut and bevel,but makes insane amts of dust. My next task is to remove the windows and fill the void with fiberglass and add nfn bronze ports 6x27'. I'm still trying to figure out a way to get the first layer of glass up. I was gonna screw a piece of plywood wood with wax paper to the outside, then working from within. Lay mat then 2 layers of 1708, 1/2 corecell and 1708 after that. Then I would cut the holes for the new ports. But if I have ply and wax paper how will I hang the first layer? It won't stick to the wax paper.. any how figured share this for any one in the "same boat". And if any one has filled the windows and has advice I'd be grateful.

]]> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 07:18:50 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3434 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3434 Well thank you I'm gonna do the same. I think I may have been a little overwhelmed and over reacting.

]]> Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:56:58 -0400 Scott Carle on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3432 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3432 So my boat has what I think is a stock compression post about 2 ft forward of the galley in front of the sink. It was used to hang one end of the saloon table on. It also acts as a support for the roof there. My roof is not so much a trampoline though you can feel a very small amount of flex if you jump on it, maybe... nothing I have ever worried about or thought twice about though.

]]> Wed, 18 Oct 2017 11:17:39 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3431 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3431 Haha Boy oh boy was I aggravated last night when I posted that! 

]]> Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:44:56 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3430 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3430 Do you think a simple layer or 2 of 1708 underneath the entire coach roof plus the compression post would do the trick? Would save alot of money and turn my nightmare into a bad dream haha.

]]> Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:38:28 -0400 mgav451 on Deck braceing for deck and cabin side recore http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3429 General Forum http://downeasteryachts.com/forums/general-forum/deck-braceing-for-deck-and-cabin-side-recore#p3429 Yes I see it's gonna take a long time to dry! The foam is soaked. if I just touch it with my finger and barely press it's like a sponge totally saturated. Hmmmm wondering if I should just recore with "real " closed cell foam corecell a seems to get the nod. I have never used it though. I'm still trying to get my head around how much water it has soaked up. Had a space heater on it 12 hrs it's drying but at this rate it's gonna be a long process as you said. 

 

I'm also thinking the coach roof seems to be poorly designed. Im considering takeing out the c beams and replaceing with wood although I hate to add all that weight. Also a compression post at the galley island. And knees aft of the aft lower shroud chain plate and replaceing the compression post at  the mast...wheeew! I might as well just cut  the hull to deck joint and  build a proper coach at this point! I'm .I'm wondering if I replace the c beams and transfer the load to the cabin sides how will I tie all that together. Feels like a trampoline when working on the coach roof, but a the core samples I've taken show no delam.  The p.o has through bolted half inch plexiglass (or lexan) which I will be fiberglassing over and putting nfm 7x26" bronze ports. It was in preparation for that which led  to discover the soaking wet core. I'm planning on a circumnavigation but there seems to be a lot of designer structural issues going on here. 

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